I heard he pretty much invented the fantasy genre with the LOTR books. What exactly did he invent? Or maybe the easier question to ask is, what in LOTR did he not invent?
What all did Tolkien invent in LOTR?
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I am not sure that people saw elves and dwarves and stuff like that as they do now before LOTR (for instance). I know his editors tried replacing dwarves with dwarfs (like we have in the real world) and elvish with elfish (which is an expression), so that leads me to think that nobody had really used the terms.
Kami would be the one you should PM for this clarification. He's the LOTR expert on ATOT 
As far as I know, Tolkien also invented the elvish language that appeared in the book.
As far as I know, Tolkien also invented the elvish language that appeared in the book.
quite alot of the LOTR fantasy world comes from Icelandic folk lore and the Nordic Pagan religion.
like the elves are from stories in iceland, the dwarfs are from pagan religion.
like the elves are from stories in iceland, the dwarfs are from pagan religion.
Tolkien didn't invent the fantasy genre so much as he nudged it toward the mainstream. There wasn't much of a market for fantasy literature (of the D&D variety) before LOTR was released, so now people argue that LOTR was the first significant work of the genre. Tolkien may have been responsible for creating the concept of a trilogy for fantasy/sci-fi/adventure, though you can argue that he really wanted LOTR split into 6 books, not 3.
But if Tolkien invented anything, it's Middle Earth, one of the most real alternative universes created in the fantasy genre. The creation of a language, the precise dating of events, the recording of noble lineage, etc., make it seem that Middle Earth does indeed exist, or did exist, in some time and place.
But if Tolkien invented anything, it's Middle Earth, one of the most real alternative universes created in the fantasy genre. The creation of a language, the precise dating of events, the recording of noble lineage, etc., make it seem that Middle Earth does indeed exist, or did exist, in some time and place.
Where is there a list of what he invented, like Hobbits, and what was already out there, like Elves.
Oh, and according to Tolkien himself, he wanted to write a really long story.
Length being a main goal.
Length being a main goal.
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<< But if Tolkien invented anything, it's Middle Earth, one of the most real alternative universes created in the fantasy genre. The creation of a language, the precise dating of events, the recording of noble lineage, etc., make it seem that Middle Earth does indeed exist, or did exist, in some time and place. >>
Exactly
He didn't invent fantasy, but maybe just took many things to new levels. I don't know of any other authors who created a whole different world with history, languages, etc. That is probably my favorite aspect of his work.In a way you could look at Middle-earth as a forgotten period in history, existing too long ago to be remembered. In the words of Peter Jackson, "This is a story of survival and courage, about a touching last stand that paved the way for the ascent of humankind."
I am pretty sure this is what JRR saw it as anyway.... a mythic pre-history.
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<< In a way you could look at Middle-earth as a forgotten period in history, existing too long ago to be remembered. In the words of Peter Jackson, "This is a story of survival and courage, about a touching last stand that paved the way for the ascent of humankind." >>
You could also look at it as a heathen God-rejecting piece of Devilish trash fit for a bonfire! Repent for your sins, watchers and readers of lord of the Rings! There is only one God and He is not a Lord of any rings!
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I really dont think INVENT is the word for what he did.
He did imagine new realms, creatures, characters and whatever.
He created fictional places and people and times and events and...............
Nuff said.
He did imagine new realms, creatures, characters and whatever.
He created fictional places and people and times and events and...............
Nuff said.
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<< In a way you could look at Middle-earth as a forgotten period in history, existing too long ago to be remembered. In the words of Peter Jackson, "This is a story of survival and courage, about a touching last stand that paved the way for the ascent of humankind." >>
You could also look at it as a heathen God-rejecting piece of Devilish trash fit for a bonfire! Repent for your sins, watchers and readers of lord of the Rings! There is only one God and He is not a Lord of any rings! >>
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First of all, Tolkien did not "invent" fantasy. There were fantasy-books long before Hobbit or LoTR. Lord of The Rings IS the most notable fantasy-book ever created, and it influences the books that followed it (for good and bad. Many of the post LoTR books repeat it's ideas. Group of people fulfilling a quest)
Root of Tolkiens works can be traced to several ancient epics. One of the most notable if the finnish Kalevala (read this). Not only did Kalevala influence Middle-Earth, but the finnish language forms the basis of Quenya (elvish). Their grammar is similar and they share some words.
Root of Tolkiens works can be traced to several ancient epics. One of the most notable if the finnish Kalevala (read this). Not only did Kalevala influence Middle-Earth, but the finnish language forms the basis of Quenya (elvish). Their grammar is similar and they share some words.
The real irony of it all is that Tolkien was a devout Catholic. He intended Middle Earth to be fantasy, but some of our religious fanatics want to believe he was being literal and they consider shielding children from such blasphemous "rubbish" to be a valiant deed. Oh no, the presence of immortality and magic...boy, that's going to dirty the minds of children, LOL.
ah...
He wqas born Anglican and changed to Catholisism.
http://members.cts.com/king/e/erikt/tolkien/jrrtcrst.htm
He wqas born Anglican and changed to Catholisism.
http://members.cts.com/king/e/erikt/tolkien/jrrtcrst.htm
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