What a mistake designing the phone system to allow spoofed numbers

Craig234

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They didn't have to do that, and it lets telemarketers get away with a lot.

Today I got a strange call. I answered and there was a sort of female falsetto voice of someone saying they are very busy and I called them, and hung up.

Call return showed 408-534-1275; calling that, it's a disconnected number.

Googling it found nothing, no reports from others complaining about the number.
 

highland145

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Oct 12, 2009
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Sorry, Craig, I was looking for a date.

You never respond to my posts.

You hate my cats.

:colbert:

Otherwise, what's up?
 

mmntech

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Yeah, I keep getting the travel scam one. They mascaraed as Air Canada saying I've won a free trip, and they just need all me personal info to process the reservation. Always comes up as a local number. No Air Canada office or call centre near by, so they're definitely spoofing the number.

There's also this 1-877 number that's been calling me like clockwork three times a day, everyday for the past two weeks. When you answer it, there's a pause then a busy signal.

I'd get rid of the home phone, but the other people in my house use it.
 
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KlokWyze

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I get security systems automated calls like every other day. I say "yes" in order to talk to someone and when I ask to be removed from the call list for the 20th time they just hang up on me. Cunts.
 

ImpulsE69

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Hello! My names Lisa and I have important information regarding your credit card!
 

Craig234

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How did you get my number *again*, Highland? Did you use brute force again?

Apart from that, the restraining order allows chat here, so how are you?
 

ImpulsE69

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I used to just ignore any calls I didn't have in my phone. Recently however, they are even coming from within my area code and prefix. Sneaky pricks.
 

highland145

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Hello! My names Lisa and I have important information regarding your credit card!
Pics or gtfo.

How did you get my number *again*, Highland? Did you use brute force again?

Apart from that, the restraining order allows chat here, so how are you?
:biggrin: Every business on the planet sells your info. Equifax is happy to let me know about you...for a small charge.

I'll use brute force if that's on the menu...:ninja:

Can't believe the judge allowed chat. Luddite bastard.

:)

Fat, dumb and happy. Hope you are as well.
 

disappoint

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I'd use brute force to get rid of those numbnuts if I had that problem.

There are so many ways to deal with them I've lost count.

Try reciting Bible quotes at them with full emotional display. Make sure it's the really fucked up portions of the Bible too full of misogyny, rape, torture, slavery, hatred, begging for the apocalypse, etc.

Or act like a crazy fellow. Oh wait that's the same thing.
 

John Connor

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The best one's are when they use your own number and hack your voice mail. It is password protected, right? :twisted:

They just use VOIP to do this. I run a netbook connected to a dial-up USB modem that decodes the Caller-ID and sends it to a program called PhoneTray by Traysoft. Progie was $30, but well worth it. I blocked a lot of numbers thus far. All you hear is one ring and click. Plus since the modem is voice capable they get a nice woman saying not to call back.

The worst offenders go on my call screening list. Comcast allows 25 numbers I think and 1-800 numbers. I use it sparely.
 

Red Squirrel

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Yeah I don't get how it's even possible, as the info is programmed into the phone switch by the telco. So to me the network should use that and only that. Or maybe some telcos just don't care and will let customers put whatever they want.

Speaking of hacking voice mail, we sometimes get automated emails at work for that every now and then if one of our customers gets hacked. We need to go in the switch and restrict toll calls on their line until they get their PBX/IVR fixed. People will hack in and get an outside line then start making overseas calls.
 

pcgeek11

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I find it strange the other day my wife and I were having coffee in the morning and her phone rang. When she looked at it it said it was me calling her from my cell phone that was sitting on the table between us and turned off.

You can't trust that contact list either.
 

Oceanas

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Yeah I don't get how it's even possible, as the info is programmed into the phone switch by the telco. So to me the network should use that and only that. Or maybe some telcos just don't care and will let customers put whatever they want.

For PRI and SIP the number is almost always outpulsed from the PBX, so you can send DID numbers for specific departments, phones, or whatever instead of just your main number.

Many carriers will not allow you to outpulse numbers not on your account, but there are legit reasons to do so. If you have PBXs linked together at multiple locations, each using local trunks but with different service providers, but you want all calls to show the company wide main number. Or you have a third party call center or the like that has their own service provider but needs to be able to call outbound with your number so that they appear to be calling from your company.

Our SIP provider allows us to send out any number at all. It actually comes in handy for me every once in a while. Sometimes I will be doing remote work for a customer at night or over the weekend and need someone to physically do something minor at the location. Power cycle something, or move a patch cable or whatever. These locations run 24/7, so I have a list of a few people I can call that work for the customer that can do these things for me. They are usually running around the building and not sitting in their office though, so I have to call their cells. They don't have my cell number or often even the office number in their phones, so if I call them with my actual caller ID info, they will usually let the call go to voicemail and I'm not able to complete everything I need to until they decide to check their VM. So I will remote into our PBX, change my caller ID to the main line of their office, then call them from the softphone on my cell. They usually answer right away. Of course, they know who I am, so they may be a bit confused since they know I'm not sitting at their location, but it gets the job done.

Speaking of hacking voice mail, we sometimes get automated emails at work for that every now and then if one of our customers gets hacked. We need to go in the switch and restrict toll calls on their line until they get their PBX/IVR fixed. People will hack in and get an outside line then start making overseas calls.
Well, I wouldn't really call it hacking. That's almost always an issue of poor system programming (allowing remote access to outside lines) coupled with poor security (leaving the passwords at default, or using no voicemail password or stupid voicemail passwords like 1234). I did run into one instance where it was a software bug and occurred even when the system settings were properly configured.
 

Red Squirrel

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Hmm that makes sense, I don't really deal with PRI stuff so never considered how it works for that. So guess if these scammers get their own PRIs and switch they can pretty much put what they want even for the origin number if the telco does not filter it to only their account numbers. I imagine in places like india the telcos are probably pretty lax with that too.
 

John Connor

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Yeah I don't get how it's even possible, as the info is programmed into the phone switch by the telco. So to me the network should use that and only that. Or maybe some telcos just don't care and will let customers put whatever they want.

Speaking of hacking voice mail, we sometimes get automated emails at work for that every now and then if one of our customers gets hacked. We need to go in the switch and restrict toll calls on their line until they get their PBX/IVR fixed. People will hack in and get an outside line then start making overseas calls.


VOIP allows you to use any number you want and there are online services that will do this. Just watch an ad and presto.

With a land line you have ANI that can't be spoofed and that is what emergency dispatch services use.

As to the PBX. Is this firewalled?
 

John Connor

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I find it strange the other day my wife and I were having coffee in the morning and her phone rang. When she looked at it it said it was me calling her from my cell phone that was sitting on the table between us and turned off.

You can't trust that contact list either.


I wrote a blog post about that very thing. Vishing, Smishing and social engineering.
 
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sdifox

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I get calls on my cell that has the same first six digit of my number. I just keep banning them.
 

dank69

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I find it strange the other day my wife and I were having coffee in the morning and her phone rang. When she looked at it it said it was me calling her from my cell phone that was sitting on the table between us and turned off.

You can't trust that contact list either.

I've gotten calls on my landline and the calling number is my own landline number.
 

TwiceOver

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Yeah I get one or two a week for "Domain Services". I play along for as long as I can. If they are going to waste my time, I might as well get a laugh out of it and waste theirs.