What a load of BS (Intel marketing)

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
All right, I'm being an anti-Intel grouch, sorry 😉 Need more coffee, I guess. 😀

A point to ponder: when I began working here, I brought in my own dual-Pentium3 733. I had built it for this type of job, figuring you couldn't beat a true dualie for antivirus scanning while doing office work... right?

Wrong. From a subjective point of view, my AthlonXP 1700+ was far better in performance at the same total MHz (2 x 733 versus 1466). I sold the dual-P3 and haven't looked back. Make of that what you will.

AMD and Intel aside... Of course, 2 cpu's is not equal to one twice-as-fast cpu.

 

[ToBeMe]

This is an outrage! OMG.........never before in history has any company stated anything but the absolute truth as it concerns the products they market in their ads! AMD, nVidia, ATI, Matrox for example have NEVER said their products would perform better than they actually do in real life situations or presented benchmarks which were slanted to clearly favor their product over a competitor.........................I say off with their heads! :shocked:😕:disgust:

:roll:😉

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I read this thread just wondering how long it would take for mechBgon to play the SCSI card 😀

BTW, those who think Intel needs a new marketing team should lay off the prescription meds. They have such a pervasive presence that many have no idea there is another major player in the microprocessor biz. 😉


Intel=household name.

AMD=who?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I read this thread just wondering how long it would take for mechBgon to play the SCSI card 😀

Look at it this way... if they ever ban me, it'll be easy to tell if I try to come back using a new account 😉

😛 ~ yep, it's him all right

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You get banned? never happen. You could have a superhero alter-ego you are so mild mannered 😉 Besides, I'm just envious of your SCSI powers 😀

 

[Regs]

Edit;

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I read this thread just wondering how long it would take for mechBgon to play the SCSI card 😀

Look at it this way... if they ever ban me, it'll be easy to tell if I try to come back using a new account 😉

😛 ~ yep, it's him all right

Haha Did you ever partake of those famous SCSI vs. IDE debates with Modus? Those were some killer long threads.

God I miss that guy.. really the king of price/performance...you OTOH😛

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Regs

Also, if you don't think similar (and even more misleading) slides can be found from AMD, ATi, nVidia, etc... You are sorely mistaken.

Oh please, you know AMD has been getting the shaft for years. Why don't you buy my Celeron back?

"the shaft"??? 😕

Wtf are you talking about, and what has this got to do with ads?

Defensive thinking, don't use and quote "Also, if you don't think similar (and even more misleading) slides can be found from AMD, ATi, nVidia, etc... You are sorely mistaken" as an excuse for some one pointing out the obvious of an Intel ad. If you think about it logically for more than 1 second, you might figure out it makes no sense to use that as a persuasive argument towards the original poster.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Regs
Defensive thinking, don't use and quote "Also, if you don't think similar (and even more misleading) slides can be found from AMD, ATi, nVidia, etc... You are sorely mistaken" as an excuse for some one pointing out the obvious of an Intel ad. If you think about it logically for more than 1 second, you might figure out it makes no sense to use that as a persuasive argument towards the original poster.

My point (about other companies) is to wonder why an Intel ad was singled out. (Not that I don't know the answer to that question.) If you are going to get your panties in a bunch over an ad, this just isn't a very good example.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Regs
Defensive thinking, don't use and quote "Also, if you don't think similar (and even more misleading) slides can be found from AMD, ATi, nVidia, etc... You are sorely mistaken" as an excuse for some one pointing out the obvious of an Intel ad. If you think about it logically for more than 1 second, you might figure out it makes no sense to use that as a persuasive argument towards the original poster.

My point (about other companies) is to wonder why an Intel ad was singled out. (Not that I don't know the answer to that question.) If you are going to get your panties in a bunch over an ad, this just isn't a very good example.

LOL! The more things change.......................the more they stay the same!😉 Seems especially true here at A/T...........was gone a long time, but upon returning I've found new names but the same biases as ever...............

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
You get banned? never happen. You could have a superhero alter-ego you are so mild mannered 😉 Besides, I'm just envious of your SCSI powers 😀

Well, but I do have one :Q Or I used to, anyway. You remember the Monty Python "Bicycle Repairman" skit, right...?

😉

(we wear the cape on our front side, it even has pockets! 😀)

 

[imported_jediknight]

Originally posted by: CTho9305
Text

The Intel(r) Pentium(r) 4 Processor
with HT Technology.

Enables virus scans and other
security tasks to run in the background
with minimal impact on performance.

That's their response to AMD64's NX memory protection? You'd be SIGNIFICANTLY more secure with XP SP2 or Linux on an AMD64 CPU than some lousy incomplete overpriced knockoff. What pisses me off most is that a lot of PHB's will probably think it's remotely similar to AMD's Enhanced Virus Protection.

It's technically correct..
HT gives you a degree of parallelism (not so much so as SMP or dual core, I believe.. ) and so you can restrict the AV to run on one of the "processors", leaving processing power for other tasks..

Nowhere does Intel say that the P4 stops viruses, or improves security on its own , but it enables such software to be run with a minimal performance hit.

All said, my next processor is an Athlon64 :->

 

[NumbaJuan]

Well??..I was just sitting here going over my stock portfolio, and ran a few numbers on INTC (Intel Corp.)
I invested in their stock in 1990, & I gotta tell ya that whatever marketing plan they are using seems to be working! Just my 2 cents.

 

[RobCur]

BECAUSE $$$ makes the world go round and joe like to blow money on security :disgust:

 

[n0cmonkey]

Why do computer enthusiasts pay attention to marketing?

 

[Cerb]

Er...I don't get it.
HT should help decrease the performance hit of a background virus scan. Because multiple threads can run, allowing one to run through while another waits.
So should using an A64.
And you want a better way to speed it up?
SCSI drives and dual CPUs.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I read this thread just wondering how long it would take for mechBgon to play the SCSI card 😀

BTW, those who think Intel needs a new marketing team should lay off the prescription meds. They have such a pervasive presence that many have no idea there is another major player in the microprocessor biz. 😉


Intel=household name.

AMD=who?

Yet at the same time, check the Sunday paper. Here, more than half the OEM machines being advertised tend to be AMD now (and they tend to be more well-rounded configs, as well--the kind where you could pop in a 9600 Pro and have a nice little box).

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Enables virus scans and other
security tasks to run in the background
with minimal impact on performance.

Multitasking is the gist of this ad, and I don't see why you'd call it BS. It is a completely separate issue from buffer overflows (NX and xD).

No, the ad *conveys the message* that you can be more secure with a P4, which isn't true. Maybe you can run your virus scanner 5 seconds faster with HT, but you can still run the virus scanner on your AMD chip. With an AMD64 CPU, you're going actually be more secure, since the most common type of exploit is prevented at the hardware level. If the Intel ad stated "Run antivirus programs faster", that would be different. But it says "Security-hardened PCs start off with this shield", as if the P4 gives you more security.

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
never before in history has any company stated anything but the absolute truth as it concerns the products they market in their ads

I saw your last smiley, but just because it happens a lot doesn't mean they don't deserve a rant as a result.

Originally posted by: Wingznut
My point (about other companies) is to wonder why an Intel ad was singled out. (Not that I don't know the answer to that question.) If you are going to get your panties in a bunch over an ad, this just isn't a very good example.

Isn't it obvious? I block pretty much all ads, and accidentally clicked this Intel flash ad while scrolling down a slashdot page (when a page has a flash object in it, I don't see the animation until I click it thanks to Flash click to view and Mozilla) 😉.

Intel's Centrino ads don't bother me. Nor do AMD's current ads (which mention Enhanced Virus Protection, Direct Connect Architecture, etc). They don't imply anything extra (well, someone mentioned that some Centrino ads imply they work like cell phones, but that had never occured to me, or anyone I've talked to).

edit: Oh, and calling IA32e a "lousy incomplete overpriced knockoff" wasn't some heated typing, I put a lot of thought into it 😉.

I've read various tech docs and articles online, and think the 64-bit support Intel is demoing IS in fact...
lousy - they don't properly implement various functions, use narrower physical addresses, etc
incomplete - at least for a while, they weren't going to support non-executable pages to avoid competing with high-end parts - some people in this thread seem to imply this is no longer true
overpriced - Intel usually charges more (although AMD is certainly trying to change that, it's true for now - compare a P4 EE to an Athlon64 or even an Athlon 64FX)
a knockoff - Intel claimed AMD64 was unnecessary, and never implemented it until they were forced to by the competition. Then they cloned it.

The fact is, if you take two systems running XP SP2 on a P4 and any AMD64 CPU with otherwise identical software, the AMD64-based system will* have fewer exploitable vulnerabilities than the P4.

*unless Microsoft and all other producers of network-enabled software (instant messengers, mp3 players, web browsers, email apps, etc) magically stops writing software with buffer overflow vulnerabilities 😉

As an aside, how often do you really run an active virus scan? As an IT manager, you set up all machines in the company to leave "Filesystem Real-time Protection" (or whatever your AV software of choice calls it) enabled all the time, and do an actual full scan at ~3am, when nobody is affected. I don't care how fast your CPU is, or how many CPUs you have - when an AV app is pouding the disk, you'll still feel it and be annoyed.

 

[ToBeMe]

I saw your last smiley, but just because it happens a lot doesn't mean they don't deserve a rant as a result.

That's all well and good.......and I agree........if it would only work both ways around here 99% of the time.................fan bois..........all of them was my rant so no, you missed it!😉

 

[n0cmonkey]

I use m88ks for their enhanced security.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I read this thread just wondering how long it would take for mechBgon to play the SCSI card 😀

BTW, those who think Intel needs a new marketing team should lay off the prescription meds. They have such a pervasive presence that many have no idea there is another major player in the microprocessor biz. 😉


Intel=household name.

AMD=who?

Yet at the same time, check the Sunday paper. Here, more than half the OEM machines being advertised tend to be AMD now (and they tend to be more well-rounded configs, as well--the kind where you could pop in a 9600 Pro and have a nice little box).

I agree completely. Unfortunately many will grab an Intel Celeron based system instead since they have been using their products for years. The e-Machines and HP/Compaqs featuring the nF2+AMD XP are good values IMO 🙂

 

[ScrapSilicon]

<-- waves to Wingznut 🙂

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I read this thread just wondering how long it would take for mechBgon to play the SCSI card 😀

BTW, those who think Intel needs a new marketing team should lay off the prescription meds. They have such a pervasive presence that many have no idea there is another major player in the microprocessor biz. 😉


Intel=household name.

AMD=who?

Yet at the same time, check the Sunday paper. Here, more than half the OEM machines being advertised tend to be AMD now (and they tend to be more well-rounded configs, as well--the kind where you could pop in a 9600 Pro and have a nice little box).

I agree completely. Unfortunately many will grab an Intel Celeron based system instead since they have been using their products for years. The e-Machines and HP/Compaqs featuring the nF2+AMD XP are good values IMO 🙂

seconded 🙂