What a joke NASA has become...

RbSX

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A measely 1 billion dollars. That amount of cash is probably spent each day in Iraq.

Not that I'm paranoid that an asteroid will hit earth BUT the fact that the gov't is devoting the cash to pay for less than spectacular affairs.. as opposed to looking towards future development isn't pleasing.

NASA can't pay for killer asteroid hunt
Cost to find 90 percent of asteroids, comets would be about $1 billion
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By Seth Borenstein

Updated: 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - NASA officials say the space agency is capable of finding nearly all the asteroids that might pose a devastating hit to Earth, but there isn't enough money to pay for the task so it won't get done.

The cost to find at least 90 percent of the 20,000 potentially hazardous asteroids and comets by 2020 would be about $1 billion, according to a report NASA will release later this week. The report was previewed Monday at a Planetary Defense Conference in Washington.

Congress in 2005 asked NASA to come up with a plan to track most killer asteroids and propose how to deflect the potentially catastrophic ones.

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"We know what to do, we just don't have the money," said Simon "Pete" Worden, director of NASA's Ames Research Center.

These are asteroids that are bigger than 460 feet in diameter ? slightly smaller than the Superdome in New Orleans. They are a threat even if they don't hit Earth because if they explode while close enough ? an event caused by heating in both the rock and the atmosphere ? the devastation from the shockwaves is still immense. The explosion alone could have with the power of 100 million tons of dynamite, enough to devastate an entire state, such as Maryland, they said.

The agency is already tracking bigger objects, at least 3,300 feet in diameter, that could wipe out most life on Earth, much like what is theorized to have happened to dinosaurs 65 million years ago. But even that search, which has spotted 769 asteroids and comets ? none of which is on course to hit Earth ? is behind schedule. It's supposed to be complete by the end of next year.

NASA needs to do more to locate other smaller, but still potentially dangerous space bodies. While an Italian observatory is doing some work, the United States is the only government with an asteroid-tracking program, NASA said.

One solution would be to build a new ground telescope solely for the asteroid hunt, and piggyback that use with other agencies' telescopes for a total of $800 million. Another would be to launch a space infrared telescope that could do the job faster for $1.1 billion. But NASA program scientist Lindley Johnson said NASA and the White House called both those choices too costly.


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A cheaper option would be to simply piggyback on other agencies' telescopes, a cost of about $300 million, also rejected, Johnson said.

"The decision of the agency is we just can't do anything about it right now," he added.

Earth got a scare in 2004, when initial readings suggested an 885-foot asteroid called 99942 Apophis seemed to have a chance of hitting Earth in 2029. But more observations showed that wouldn't happen. Scientists say there is a 1-in-45,000 chance that it could hit in 2036.

They think it would mostly likely strike the Pacific Ocean, which would cause a tsunami on the U.S. West Coast the size of the devastating 2004 Indian Ocean wave.

John Logsdon, space policy director at George Washington University, said a stepped-up search for such asteroids is needed.

"You can't deflect them if you can't find them," Logsdon said. "And we can't find things that can cause massive damage."

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Well seeing as how any large object that hits the planet is probably going to affect countries other than the US, maybe you Canadians can chip in a few million. ;)
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: isekii
how do they plan on deflecting the asteroids ?
Most articles about this subject point to sending a shuttle-type craft out to the asteroid a few days/weeks before impact and using the craft to slightly alter the gravity of the asteroid so its path will miss the earth.

But even if we couldn't deflect it, we could certainly predict the impact zone weeks or even months in advance, and clear ground zero as much as possible.
 

Hammyton

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: isekii
how do they plan on deflecting the asteroids ?
Most articles about this subject point to sending a shuttle-type craft out to the asteroid a few days/weeks before impact and using the craft to slightly alter the gravity of the asteroid so its path will miss the earth.

But even if we couldn't deflect it, we could certainly predict the impact zone weeks or even months in advance, and clear ground zero as much as possible.

does anyone else just find it completely amazing that we could even do something like this? man science pwns
 

Fenixgoon

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hmmmmm considering NASA does not "profit" in any way, you may want to thank the idiot congress we have.
 

KarmaPolice

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Originally posted by: Hammyton
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: isekii
how do they plan on deflecting the asteroids ?
Most articles about this subject point to sending a shuttle-type craft out to the asteroid a few days/weeks before impact and using the craft to slightly alter the gravity of the asteroid so its path will miss the earth.

But even if we couldn't deflect it, we could certainly predict the impact zone weeks or even months in advance, and clear ground zero as much as possible.

does anyone else just find it completely amazing that we could even do something like this? man science pwns

but but what about the plan of sending miners to the asteroid and drilling in nukes? I don't see how that could possibly fail!


 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Hammyton
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: isekii
how do they plan on deflecting the asteroids ?
Most articles about this subject point to sending a shuttle-type craft out to the asteroid a few days/weeks before impact and using the craft to slightly alter the gravity of the asteroid so its path will miss the earth.

But even if we couldn't deflect it, we could certainly predict the impact zone weeks or even months in advance, and clear ground zero as much as possible.

does anyone else just find it completely amazing that we could even do something like this? man science pwns

No, that's not feasible. He's talking about science fiction, not a workable solution. A spacecraft is built to be very light weight so it's easily launchable. An asteroid is mostly rock, which is very heavy. The shuttle's weight would be insignificant on the asteroid.
 

3NF

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The people at NASA are reading this and saying, "What a joke ATOT is".
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: 3NF
The people at NASA are reading this and saying, "What a joke ATOT is".

The difference is NASA is actually supposed to do something! ATOT is just a bunch of geeks sitting in front of their computers killing time! ;)
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: 3NF
The people at NASA are reading this and saying, "What a joke ATOT is".

The difference is NASA is actually supposed to do something! ATOT is just a bunch of geeks sitting in front of their computers killing time! ;)

so you'd gladly bankrupt your organization? yeah, GL with that
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
hmmmmm considering NASA does not "profit" in any way, you may want to thank the idiot congress we have.

my sentiments exactly.
 

BillGates

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I love how it's apparently NASA's job to save the world...yet the rest of the world doesnt't seem interested in helping. Maybe we could threaten to disrupt the path of incoming asteroids so that they are targeted at specific nations who refused to give us money to fund the program?
 

oogabooga

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of course if we were spending 1bil dollars on nasa funding then people would probably just say "what a joke the gov't is, 1 bil tracking space rocks when they could end world hunger, poverty, all crime (insert abstract idea here)"
 

Gibsons

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I don't see how you can necessarily blame NASA. NASA is simply a product of its budget. If you want to track enough asteroids/comets and prepare for an intercept, it can be done. It's a matter of money and/or political will. Right now, that's little and none, respectively.

On the other hand, what if you spend several billion or more and there's nothing to intercept? No refunds! ;)
 

3NF

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Maybe the government should direct more money to NASA. They could think of a way to deflect the asteroid and have it land directly on IRAQ.
 

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
I don't see how you can necessarily blame NASA. NASA is simply a product of its budget. If you want to track enough asteroids/comets and prepare for an intercept, it can be done. It's a matter of money and/or political will. Right now, that's little and none, respectively.

On the other hand, what if you spend several billion or more and there's nothing to intercept? No refunds! ;)


Gee, let's try to save a billion dollars, because we're cheap, but risk having entire continents, or our civilization end because of a comet that we didn't see coming.
 

conehead433

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Yes why bash NASA when Dubya and his funding of NASA is the problem. Of course Dubya has never been successful as a businessman or as president.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Yes why bash NASA when Dubya and his funding of NASA is the problem. Of course Dubya has never been successful as a businessman or as president.

you realize that the president does not appropriate funding. congress sets the funding - congress has been the problem for some time, democrat, republican, or mixed. all the president does is approve the budget, which congress can still override IIRC
 

sandorski

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Does NASA get to choose what to pend its' money on or is it mandated by the Government?
 

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Does NASA get to choose what to pend its' money on or is it mandated by the Government?

Bush Just gave them the plan to put a man on mars. They are given gide lines on what to do the details are up to them.