What’s your take on corn syrup vs came sugar in Coke thingi?

[Moonbeam]

Trump’s bid to add cane sugar to Coke would cost America thousands of agricultural jobs, trade group warns

Agricultural industry leaders fear a push away from corn syrup could disrupt production of the U.S.’s largest crop.

fortune.com

Do you think cane sugar is healthier? Are they chemically the same? Should the government be regulating this?

I am an uninformed coke bigot. I buy only Mexican Coke and no other soft drinks and would prefer easy to but Coke was made with sugar. It’s what I drank as a child.

This, in the world we live in is pretty much a nothingburger, but anyway…….

 

[nisryus]

HFCS is made from corn. So changing to cane sugar, which mainly imported, would raise the cost for CC.

Trump’s claims of a Coca-Cola agreement quickly go flat as nutritionists groan

Whichever sweetener is used, Coke is still crammed with sugar.

arstechnica.com

"Nutrition expert Marion Nestle, professor emeritus at New York University, told Stat News that the push for cane sugar, just like the push to remove artificial dyes from processed foods, was "nutritionally hilarious." Whether Coke is sweetened with cane sugar or HFCS, it still contains the equivalent of about 10 teaspoons of sugar per 12-ounce can and poses risks for conditions such as Type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. “It’s the kind of thing that makes nutritionists roll their eyes, because it doesn’t make any difference,” Nestle said."

 

[waffleironhead]

I have fructose malabsorption. So any products that contain sugar instead of HFCS would be great.

 

[BoomerD]

I HATED the switch to "New Coke" in the 80s. When they brought back "Classic Coke," it just wasn't the same. (IIRC, that's when they switched from sugar to HFCS)

Nowadays, I nearly only drink Coke Zero...or Zero Sugar. MUCH better than any of the Diet Coke products...and Pepsi?

never could stand the taste. I remember the taste tests in the early 80s, usually in the local mall. Fckrs never did fool me.

 

[biostud]

Don't know HFCS seems to be an American thing...

 

[Ken g6]

Don't know HFCS seems to be an American thing...

Yep. For some reason we like corn farmers so much that we make up stuff for them to turn corn into (HFCS, fuel ethanol), then subsidize them from all sides.

HFCS gave me weird issues as a child, so even though I outgrew them I'm happy to see HFCS go. But I also prefer the taste of Pepsi, and I don't like that Coke is still closely linked with cocaine.

 

[HomerJS]

I don’t drink soda anymore but friends say cane version is better

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I have fructose malabsorption. So any products that contain sugar instead of HFCS would be great.

Hail, fellow eats-a-grape-and-shits-themselves! How is your lemon and lime situation? Mine's great.

Fuck adulterated ingredients. If you want sugar just use sugar, quit subsidizing corn to the point we gotta invent stupid shit out of it to keep from turning it into dirt.

 

[dank69]

HFCS is made from corn. So changing to cane sugar, which mainly imported, would raise the cost for CC.

Trump’s claims of a Coca-Cola agreement quickly go flat as nutritionists groan

Whichever sweetener is used, Coke is still crammed with sugar.

arstechnica.com

"Nutrition expert Marion Nestle, professor emeritus at New York University, told Stat News that the push for cane sugar, just like the push to remove artificial dyes from processed foods, was "nutritionally hilarious." Whether Coke is sweetened with cane sugar or HFCS, it still contains the equivalent of about 10 teaspoons of sugar per 12-ounce can and poses risks for conditions such as Type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. “It’s the kind of thing that makes nutritionists roll their eyes, because it doesn’t make any difference,” Nestle said."

Right now the sticker price on Coke is $3.49 for 2L, which is insanity. It might cost them $0.25 per bottle to produce.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Only coke with normal sugar from the sugar beet.

That HFCS stuff is very unhealthy. We have a microbiome in our bowels and the idea is that with HFCS one creates an unbalance in the microbiome in the bowels. Fungi in the bowels love HFCS because they do not have to take the sugar molecule apart by use of producing enzymes.

 

[WelshBloke]

There's too much sugar of any kind in Coke! And all the diet ones have a weird lingering aftertaste.

Just use less sugar in regular coke. Fizzy syrup is not a refreshing drink!

 

[William Gaatjes]

There's too much sugar of any kind in Coke! And all the diet ones have a weird lingering aftertaste.

Just use less sugar in regular coke. Fizzy syrup is not a refreshing drink!

That is true, but it depends on how much cola is consumed. Drinking a single glass of coca cola once day will not harm anyone. Except people with Diabetes type 1.

 

[K1052]

I HATED the switch to "New Coke" in the 80s. When they brought back "Classic Coke," it just wasn't the same. (IIRC, that's when they switched from sugar to HFCS)

Nowadays, I nearly only drink Coke Zero...or Zero Sugar. MUCH better than any of the Diet Coke products...and Pepsi?

never could stand the taste. I remember the taste tests in the early 80s, usually in the local mall. Fckrs never did fool me.

I always preferred Pepsi to Coke, something about the latter always turned my stomach. Diet Coke has always been superior however to Diet Pepsi which is an abomination of a beverage that is totally undrinkable unless it's been chilled to near absolute zero.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Big picture it's a silly distraction that only this president would be involved with. He doesn't even drink regular coke. It's like telling Mars that they need to use exclusively dark chocolate in M&Ms because it's a healthier chocolate. Like, sure, maybe. But why just M&Ms? Ridiculous. That being said I do like the taste of coke with sugar better than HFCS.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Remember when trying to make food healthier was communism? The internet remembers

 

[K1052]

On the political side of this we can make things taste better and fuck over the Trump voting farmers at the same time? Sign me up. While he's at it can he unilaterally end the ethanol mandate?

 

[William Gaatjes]

A long chain of sugar is called a polysaccharide. Plants and trees store sugar as very long chains of polysaccharides. This is an extra step to protect against fungi. With this knowledge in mind, it is easy to extrapolate that fungi love HFCS .
I am sure there has been research about it. But not in favor of HFCS.

In the past, pre year 2000. HFCS was made in a manufacturing proces involving mercury. A lot of people in the USA have been drinking mercury laced soda drinks for years.
If i recall correctly, the mercury is after HFCS production, disposed and the amount of mercury returned was not the same as the amount delivered before production.
Talking about tens of thousands of kilos of mercury.

 

[Brainonska511]

For the most part, sugar is sugar, regardless of the specific form it is. HFCS is like 45-55 Glucose-Fructose, whereas cane sugar (and all the other sources, like sugar beets) is sucrose (which is 50-50 glucose and fructose, after it breaks down). I think people make a way bigger deal our of it than it really needs to be.

Everyone thinks there is some magic bullet to US obesity rates, but there isn't one. We're not going to magically become skinny if all the HFCS was replaced with sucrose tomorrow.


I would guess that the thing with coke is probably more related to mouth feel and a placebo effect when it comes to using sucrose over HFCS (ie, drinking out of a cold glass bottle).

 

[ch33zw1z]

For the most part, sugar is sugar, regardless of the specific form it is. HFCS is like 45-55 Glucose-Fructose, whereas cane sugar (and all the other sources, like sugar beets) is sucrose (which is 50-50 glucose and fructose, after it breaks down). I think people make a way bigger deal our of it than it really needs to be.

Everyone thinks there is some magic bullet to US obesity rates, but there isn't one. We're not going to magically become skinny if all the HFCS was replaced with sucrose tomorrow.

Yea, other factors definitely part of it. Quantity being a major part

 

[William Gaatjes]

For the most part, sugar is sugar, regardless of the specific form it is. HFCS is like 45-55 Glucose-Fructose, whereas cane sugar (and all the other sources, like sugar beets) is sucrose (which is 50-50 glucose and fructose, after it breaks down). I think people make a way bigger deal our of it than it really needs to be.

Everyone thinks there is some magic bullet to US obesity rates, but there isn't one. We're not going to magically become skinny if all the HFCS was replaced with sucrose tomorrow.


I would guess that the thing with coke is probably more related to mouth feel and a placebo effect when it comes to using sucrose over HFCS (ie, drinking out of a cold glass bottle).

Actually there is a graph that shows obesity increase started with large scale HFCS consumption.
Eat and drink to much and cheap processed foods wich are unhealthy.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yea, other factors definitely part of it. Quantity being a major part

Yes. Many people consume A LOT of sugar. Pause and look at how much sweetener is added to Starbucks specialty beverages and the like. I don't think we all need to develop a calorie counting eating disorder, but many people consume a lot, don't get enough exercise, and may have pre-existing natural dispositions towards weight gain.

 

[K1052]

Everyone thinks there is some magic bullet to US obesity rates, but there isn't one. We're not going to magically become skinny if all the HFCS was replaced with sucrose tomorrow.

Free GLP-1 agonists and bicycles I think would be waaay more helpful.

 

[Brainonska511]

Actually there is a graph that shows obesity increase started with large scale HFCS consumption.
Eat and drink to much and cheap processed foods wich are unhealthy.

There are a lot of confounding factors. It's not on a single ingredient.

 

[Brainonska511]

Free GLP-1 agonists and bicycles I think would be waaay more helpful.

I know. People go to European cities and talk about how they feel so great afterwards. It's because you likely had smaller portions and were walking everywhere (and also, you know, relaxing on vacation).

 

[William Gaatjes]

More reasons to become obese is having thyroid problems. Mostly unknown. The thyroid can be infected. Muscle growth is also determined by specific hormones produced by the thyroid.