"We've found the WMDs" revisited.

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: kage69

Saddam was a threat to no one.

Maybe not to us, but there are several million Iraqis who would disagree with you. Not sure about you, but if some dictator carted off my father and had him tortured, then had my mother raped in front of him, and gave me a throrough beating for good measure, I dunno...I get the distinct impression I would feel threatened.

And it was up to the Iraqis, not us, to do something about it.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: kage69

Saddam was a threat to no one.

Maybe not to us, but there are several million Iraqis who would disagree with you. Not sure about you, but if some dictator carted off my father and had him tortured, then had my mother raped in front of him, and gave me a throrough beating for good measure, I dunno...I get the distinct impression I would feel threatened.

Was this before or after the Iraqi soldiers pulled new born babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

 

[0marTheZealot]

You know, if you are going to play the dictator card, there are plenty of African countries in which the EXACT same thing happens everyday.

Nevermind the fact that we installed Saddam, gave him WMDs, and then backstabbed him. Maybe that's why hes a bit bitter.

You know wanna know we installed Saddam? Because the Shah of Iran got overthrown. You wanna know why the Shah got overthrown? Because he was installed by the US after the CIA backed assassination of the democractically elected Prime Minister in the '50s.

Read up on some history before you start blubbering something about American safety and the "need" to elminate a dictator.

 

[kage69]

That's fine and dandy and a situation that's a dime a dozen in this world.

It's not fine, it's not dandy, but it is all too common I'm afraid to say.

And it was up to the Iraqis, not us, to do something about it.

I agree. But responsibility isn't the issue, Saddam being a threat is. Saying Saddam isn't a threat is about as ignorant as proclaiming Bush to be a cultured intellectual.

Was this before or after the Iraqi soldiers pulled new born babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

You've obviously got an axe to grind with the media. Citing blatant FOX/Bush/etc propaganda does nothing to the reality that Saddam did some sick sh!t to his people. Maybe if you watched a grown man cry his eyes out while recounting instances of anal electrocution and being beaten with woven metal wires you'd might be more hesitant to disregard such cruelty.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: kage69

Was this before or after the Iraqi soldiers pulled new born babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

You've obviously got an axe to grind with the media. Citing blatant FOX/Bush/etc propaganda does nothing to the reality that Saddam did some sick sh!t to his people. Maybe if you watched a grown man cry his eyes out while recounting instances of anal electrocution and being beaten with woven metal wires you'd might be more hesitant to disregard such cruelty.

So you personally witnessed this?

 

[steveeast112]

Originally posted by: kage69

That's fine and dandy and a situation that's a dime a dozen in this world.

It's not fine, it's not dandy, but it is all too common I'm afraid to say.

And it was up to the Iraqis, not us, to do something about it.

I agree. But responsibility isn't the issue, Saddam being a threat is. Saying Saddam isn't a threat is about as ignorant as proclaiming Bush to be a cultured intellectual.

Was this before or after the Iraqi soldiers pulled new born babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?

You've obviously got an axe to grind with the media. Citing blatant FOX/Bush/etc propaganda does nothing to the reality that Saddam did some sick sh!t to his people. Maybe if you watched a grown man cry his eyes out while recounting instances of anal electrocution and being beaten with woven metal wires you'd might be more hesitant to disregard such cruelty.

Again, this is for the Iraqi people to deal with, not us. The Russians dealt with it in 1917, we dealt with it in 1776. We can't be the world's big brother.

 

[CaptnKirk]

"Was this before or after the Iraqi soldiers pulled new born babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?"

Once again, and for about the umpteenth time - that was a fabricated story, put out to gain U.S. support.
It never happened - period, end of discussion.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
<STRONG>"Was this before or after the Iraqi soldiers pulled new born babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor?"</strong>

Once again, and for about the umpteenth time - that was a fabricated story, put out to gain U.S. support.
It never happened - period, end of discussion.

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[Gaard]

Just in case anyone's interested in what Scott has to say about all this. Or in this case, as always, what he DOESN'T have to say...

press briefing

Q Late Friday, on his trip back from Brussels, Colin Powell said that he now believes that the intelligence he quoted to the U.N. in making his case for war with regards to the mobile biological weapons labs, appears now to be false. Do you have any --

MR. McCLELLAN: I want to address that. I'll come to that in one second. But I also want to add one thing on job training and employment programs. There have been some allegations out there about cuts in some of those programs overall. I just want to point out that under this administration, job training and employment programs -- funding for job training and employment programs have increased from approximately $20.4 billion when we took office to approximately to $23 billion, or an increase of approximately $2.5 billion. So I just wanted to point that out.

Now in terms of Secretary Powell's remarks, I think Director Tenet in some of his recent remarks talked about -- said something to the effect that there was still no consensus within the intelligence community regarding those mobile laboratories. But regardless of those comments, I think -- the President appointed an independent commission to look at all -- to look at all these issues as part of a comprehensive look at intelligence related to weapons of mass -- the spread of weapons of mass destruction and nations with weapons of mass destruction programs. So we can compare what we are learning on the ground now with what we knew prior to going into Iraq.

Q If I can have one follow up to that. Does it concern the President that the primary source for the intelligence on the mobile biological weapons labs was a guy that U.S. intelligence never even interviewed? hahahahaha

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, all these issues will be looked at as part of a broad review by the independent commission that the President appointed. It's important that we -- but I remind you, too, that the Iraq Survey Group work -- the work of the Iraq Survey Group is ongoing. Charles Duelfer gave an update to Congress last week, a status report. But again, he reaffirmed what David Kay previously said, that Iraq was in serious violation of its -- of the Security Council resolutions. But it's important that we look at what we learn on the ground and compare that with what we believed prior to going into Iraq. And that's exactly what the independent commission will do.