Westboro Baptist Church to protest funeral of 9-year-old killed in AZ shooting

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HAL9000

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What about groups already in the UK? I'm sure we would probably do the same thing to foreign nationals entering for the same purpose.

Another thing that particularly bugs me about their (WBC) choice of venue (funerals) is that they are private, not public, gatherings. They are usually on private property to boot. There is a potential conflict there between speech/assembly rights and private property rights. I'm not sure if that has been tested in this situation though. (as even most of the unpopular groups would not have the gall to protest a funeral)

I agree.

There was one a couple of years ago, I completely forget their name but it was on the news about the use of the following law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement_to_ethnic_or_racial_hatred#United_Kingdom
 

Zedtom

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I honestly wouldn't care if someone got pissed and killed a couple of them. It's going to happen one of these days..

I suppose someone will. They can then smile for their mug shot and use an insanity defense with their high profile attorney. Hell, they might even become famous.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think the WBC are a set of cunts and I came in here to lay down some hate on them, but then somehow we got into some tired old UK bashing. You tell me why, I don't know apart from the fact that this forum is really sensitive to anyone suggesting that the US isn't a paragon of perfection and likes to deal the xenophobia card in response.


Because we're Americans dammit!
Americans are rather hard to define because our opinions are all over the map compared to some place like Switzerland which is a virtual monoculture by comparison. My sense is that opinionated people post so the people who really don't give a crap are underrepresented.

What sets people off though is that we know the virtues and vices of our own system and err on the side of less restricted speech. Well that's our business, and as far as I'm concerned you can run your country as you like. The thing that irks me about my people is some appear to believe that everyone wants to be little Americans inside. That was the basic premise with Iraq, but that's another issue although not completely unrelated. Here your people got tagged simply because one from your side decided to tell us how we should deal with an irritating subject. No one would have thought about any other nation if it hadn't been brought up to begin with. The internet-serious business.

If it were up to me I'd just let people do whatever as long as they leave me alone, but there are always those who just have to grace us with how others should live.

It's hard to quantify things though because face it, there's a whole lot more of us than anyone else here so there's that. Statistically certain people from NZ skew assholes in their directions, but one must be careful to have a representative sample of sufficient size.

Completely unrelated I think you had some suggestions about WHS you were going to leave at the other place, not that I'd bring that up :D
 
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Terzo

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Yeah I think that was because the above photo those morons are arguing in defence of their religion. I.e. "Kill Those who insult Islam" rather than "God hates fags" thats just hate, not defence of anything.

How is "Kill those who insult Islam" not hate? Not to mention calling for death in retaliation to insults is quite a bit of escalation.
 

HAL9000

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How is "Kill those who insult Islam" not hate? Not to mention calling for death in retaliation to insults is quite a bit of escalation.

Because it's "I'll kill you if you insult me" Rather than "I'll kill you because I hate you"

I.e. I'll retaliate if you start it, not I'll start it.
 

bfdd

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I agree.

There was one a couple of years ago, I completely forget their name but it was on the news about the use of the following law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement_to_ethnic_or_racial_hatred#United_Kingdom

Agree with what? You have still yet to give an example of the UK dealing with such homegrown groups. Blocking entrance to the UK from WBC is NOT the same thing. So I'm NOT going to "live" with your example. Your example fucking sucks and doesn't fit into what you were saying.
 

bfdd

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Because it's "I'll kill you if you insult me" Rather than "I'll kill you because I hate you"

I.e. I'll retaliate if you start it, not I'll start it.

Insults are just words, just like saying "hate speech". Why is one ok to kill over, but not the other? Seriously you're an idiot.
 

Terzo

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Because it's "I'll kill you if you insult me" Rather than "I'll kill you because I hate you"

I.e. I'll retaliate if you start it, not I'll start it.

They hate you for insulting Islam. And being insulted is a poor excuse for murder. Also, murder as a retort to insults isn't retaliation, it's escalation.

Insults are just words, just like saying "hate speech". Why is one ok to kill over, but not the other? Seriously you're an idiot.

Be careful. Now it's acceptable for him to say you should be killed :rolleyes:
 

DivideBYZero

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Because we're Americans dammit!
Americans are rather hard to define because our opinions are all over the map compared to some place like Switzerland which is a virtual monoculture by comparison. My sense is that opinionated people post so the people who really don't give a crap are underrepresented.

What sets people off though is that we know the virtues and vices of our own system and err on the side of less restricted speech. Well that's our business, and as far as I'm concerned you can run your country as you like. The thing that irks me about my people is some appear to believe that everyone wants to be little Americans inside. That was the basic premise with Iraq, but that's another issue although not completely unrelated. Here your people got tagged simply because one from your side decided to tell us how we should deal with an irritating subject. No one would have thought about any other nation if it hadn't been brought up to begin with. The internet-serious business.

If it were up to me I'd just let people do whatever as long as they leave me alone, but there are always those who just have to grace us with how others should live.

It's hard to quantify things though because face it, there's a whole lot more of us than anyone else here so there's that. Statistically certain people from NZ skew assholes in their directions, but one must be careful to have a representative sample of sufficient size.

Completely unrelated I think you had some suggestions about WHS you were going to leave at the other place, not that I'd bring that up :D


Ah, yeah. Red Dawn PM'd me and I sent him a very full PM about the stuff I use on my WHS and I must have just assumed I put it in the thread, too. I'll forward that msg on to you. He never did thank me, either, the sod.
 

bfdd

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They hate you for insulting Islam. And being insulted is a poor excuse for murder. Also, murder as a retort to insults isn't retaliation, it's escalation.



Be careful. Now it's acceptable for him to say you should be killed :rolleyes:

or even for him to kill me!
 

MovingTarget

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They hate you for insulting Islam. And being insulted is a poor excuse for murder. Also, murder as a retort to insults isn't retaliation, it's escalation.

This is why Americans look at the UK and Europe and go wtf over the situation with Islam. To us, escalation=incitement no matter the reason. But again, the same protections apply, which is why they think wtfAmericans every time the issue comes up. :confused:
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Ah, yeah. Red Dawn PM'd me and I sent him a very full PM about the stuff I use on my WHS and I must have just assumed I put it in the thread, too. I'll forward that msg on to you. He never did thank me, either, the sod.


Red gave me some pretty good links. I'm just not sure how to make the best use of it. Took 3 days to back up my Cosmos compy. :D
 

Venix

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Also, out of curiosity, you say that England/Britain/UK has taken care of groups like these before. Can you say how or provide some examples? Perhaps that would add to the discussions so that we can compare and contrast.

This guy was arrested for saying that homosexual activity is "against the Word of God."

This one was violently attacked by a mob for carrying a sign with the words, "Jesus Gives Peace, Jesus is Alive, Stop Immorality, Stop Homosexuality, Stop Lesbianism, Jesus is Lord." The police then arrested him but did nothing to the people who threw him on the ground or dumped mud on him.

No doubt every Briton is safer now that these dangerous hate mongers are off the street.
 
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zerocool84

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WBC are a bunch of backwards idiots who don't even follow the teachings of the Bible they claim to believe is the word of God.

I don't think there's any "Christian" religion that properly follows the word of their god. They follow what parts they feel they need to and change the meanings of words to fit their agenda.
 

bfdd

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I don't think there's any "Christian" religion that properly follows the word of their god. They follow what parts they feel they need to and change the meanings of words to fit their agenda.
So Christians would make excellent politicians is what you're trying to say?
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Hmm, do they also do this crap in Texas? There you can shoot people on your private property if you feel threatened right? Just declare all graveyards and the surrounding ground private property for the duration of the funeral. If they get close you shoot them. If they don't get close you shoot them anyway and drag their bodies onto the 'private property'.
 

WelshBloke

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Ah, tyranny of the majority over the minority. We're different here. We protect the weak and helpless and so do our laws. This is why the gays in California aren't discriminated against even though your precious majority voted on discriminating against them.

This is why blacks don't sit in the back of the bus. Because at the time people were rallying for civil rights and equality, the majority hated it.

Your form of tyrannical government and laws only serves to oppress people.


Funny you should use those two examples as gay marriage is legal here and we never made black people sit at the back of the bus. Enjoy your 'protection of the weak and helpless' though.
 

grrl

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Funny you should use those two examples as gay marriage is legal here and we never made black people sit at the back of the bus. Enjoy your 'protection of the weak and helpless' though.

Right. The Brits simply made the blacks and browns second-class citizens in their own colonized homelands.