Were this Duke University professor online comments racist vs. Boston U professor?

[fskimospy]

Here is what I see him stereotyping:

"Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration. The amount of Asian-white dating is enormous and so surely will be the intermarriage. Black-white dating is almost non-existent because of the ostracism by blacks of anyone who dates a white."

According to the definition of racism (the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.), where is that making them inferior or superior to another race? It is definitely stereotypical when he says about the names and dating.

When I see the definition of racism and apply it to this article, I don't find racism. Stereotyping black people as having different names is not necessarily a negative. Lack of integration is not also negative. He is making it a negative in the article but it doesn't mean that if any of it were true that it makes black people inferior.

My apologies, I thought you were referring to what someone above you wrote. I agree that for the most part it is not particularly racist, but he's wrong about the reason for the lack of black white dating.

Here's some good (albeit depressing) insight into the lack of black/white dating:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

 

[dank69]

Here is what I see him stereotyping:

"Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration. The amount of Asian-white dating is enormous and so surely will be the intermarriage. Black-white dating is almost non-existent because of the ostracism by blacks of anyone who dates a white."

According to the definition of racism (the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.), where is that making them inferior or superior to another race? It is definitely stereotypical when he says about the names and dating.

When I see the definition of racism and apply it to this article, I don't find racism. Stereotyping black people as having different names is not necessarily a negative. Lack of integration is not also negative. He is making it a negative in the article but it doesn't mean that if any of it were true that it makes black people inferior.

What does the word "especially" mean to you?

 

[fskimospy]

My notion that they are excessively complaining is, without quantification, no more outrageous than the notion that they are not excessively complaining. The only data I have is that Hispanics and Asians combine, as minorities, to 22% of the population, but appear to complain substantially less than the 13% Black population.

Well then it seems that data isn't particularly useful.

 

[Blanky]

Well then it seems that data isn't particularly useful.

You don't find any value in the fact that a 13% minority complaints substantially more than a 22% minority combination about racism affecting them?

 

[realibrad]

You don't find any value in the fact that a 13% minority complaints substantially more than a 22% minority combination about racism affecting them?

Thats not data, that is a claim. Its data that combined those 2 groups make up 22%, but to say that they complain less is not data, its opinion. Add in that you would have to measure the amount of problems they have vs the other groups, and you have huge gaps in your claim.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't find any value in the fact that a 13% minority complaints substantially more than a 22% minority combination about racism affecting them?

Absolutely no value.

If anything it likely provides negative value as it naturally implies a conclusion that you freely admit you can't support.

 

[Blackjack200]

Absolutely no value.

If anything it likely provides negative value as it naturally implies a conclusion that you freely admit you can't support.

I don't even understand where the idea that the amount you complain should be in proportion to your prevalence within the population comes from.

If you're being discriminated against, you should complain.

 

[realibrad]

I don't even understand where the idea that the amount you complain should be in proportion to your prevalence within the population comes from.

If you're being discriminated against, you should complain.

Well, if a shop owner does not want to give a burger to someone because they wear glasses thats bad. If the entire judicial system seems to give your race drastically harsher punishments, thats more bad. If I were going to do something, I would give my support to the bigger problem.

 

[finglobes]

Are you afraid to start your own thread? This has frak all to do with the subject of this thread.

Sure it does. The Duke issue is over comments contrasting blacks with Asians. Many others have drawn attention to the same distinctions. In my post I specifically mentioned Stanely Crouch the black journalist fron NY Daily News and other publications

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Crouch

Crouch has often said no other race would embrace the cartoonish and anti-intellectual image rap (made a lot of white liberals rich) has given them.


"So when you next see some gold-toothed Negro strutting with a microphone, cursing, bragging, expressing hatred for women, realize that he is not doing anything black at all. He has fallen for the lowest version of white culture and, like the ignoramus he is, has absolutely no idea about his roots at all. Just like Davy Crockett, he should be wearing a coonskin cap..

Young black men assume that the anti-intellectual stance and the misogyny that they hear screeching from rap recordings is purely black. It is not, by a long shot. It has, in fact, nothing at all to do with Afro-American thinking, which has been focused on education and honest self-betterment since the end of slavery..

Gangster rappers are not what they seem. They do not represent "black culture" any more than the Mafia represents Italian-Americans. Ignorance of the Afro-American tradition is their specialty. Black hoodlums and rappers twist Malcolm X's saber-rattling slogan, "by any means necessary."..

The black dropout rate can be as high as 50% in urban areas. We feel fear and pity for those young black men who have been taken in by the slim dream of becoming athletic stars or rappers. How, pray tell, will you succeed in life, young man, since you dropped out of school and are functionally illiterate?

"By any means necessary."

They are fresh meat unaware that their time for being mashed on the hot grill of society is coming soon. They have followed the wrong "black culture."

Stanley Crouch - For young black men, rap's lure is false


http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/stanley-crouch---for-young-black-men-raps-lure-is-false

 

[brycejones]

wall of pointless text

You also went on some rant about home loans. Which still has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[soulcougher73]

I would say that is stereotyping. Racism is when the purpose of the stereotype is to distinguish the race as inferior or superior, or when the stereotyping is used to express a preference for or dislike of a particular race.

All black people have black hair is clearly not racist.

The Duke Prof's comments make generalizations, and they support an inference that Asians are superior to Blacks. However, the intent isn't to make the judgement that Blacks are inherently inferior. Rather, it seeks to identify problems other than inherent characteristics that make Blacks less successful. Thus, I would conclude it is not racist.

The Boston Univ.'s comments strike me as racist, as they express a dislike of whites.

This. Stereotyping is not racism. Hence the two differently spelled words with different meanings

But this is America today where hardly anyone knows what racism actually is. You just mention a race or something about a race and its now racism.

Reminds me of how the word 'socialist' is often referred to by right wing nut jobs as 'communism'. They are so dumb they cant tell the difference

 

[umbrella39]

OP's like this surly throw the dogs off your scent...

 

[Svnla]

OP's like this surly throw the dogs off your scent...

Do you have anything to contribute to the thread or just being your own pathetic troll again?

No comment on what the Boston University professory said?

 

[dank69]

Do you have anything to contribute to the thread or just being your own pathetic troll again?

No comment on what the Boston University professory said?

You haven't contributed anything to this thread other than asking if the two are the same. Why don't you tell us all about your opinion?

 

[umbrella39]

Maybe run through a small river or creek... the hounds have difficulty tracking after moves like that race rage consumer.