Were the Confederates as bad as ISIS?

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TechBoyJK

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Talking with some friends about the confederate flag issue, and after thinking about it, I started drawing quite a few parallels with ISIS and the Confederate Army in their tactics and reasoning for starting a war.

One person (a white guy who's a prison guard, fyi) said this in response to my assertion that ISIS and the confederacy had some similarities.

"The Confederates were succeeding from an established country. They wore uniforms, they had battles. Were there atrocities? Sure there were. It was war time. ISIS is killing a race of people. They will kill anyone who does follow their point of view. As far as rather being beheaded, anyone of the methods that you suggested can be a slow and painful death. It is my wish that no one would ever have to chose any of these."

Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in American history but roughly 600,000 Americans died in the US civil war, started because a bunch of racist old white men didn't want to give up slavery, thought they were a supreme people, were incredibly racist, etc. This group of people attempted to secede and start their own country, and fought a bloody, terrible war to get it.

Sounds similar to ISIS, imho. They're attempting to secede from Iraq and establish their own state where they can have slaves and be psychotic racist extremists.

Unless of course it was ok for the confederates to start a war because of racism, and it's bad for ISIS to do it because it's about religion?

I'm confused. The confederacy was a really bad people that almost split American in half with bloody war. ISIS is doing the same damn thing, right? I totally agree that they are not exactly similar.

Thoughts?


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rudeguy

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TechBoyJK said:
Talking with some friends about the confederate flag issue, and after thinking about it, I started drawing quite a few parallels with ISIS and the Confederate Army in their tactics and reasoning for starting a war.

One person (a white guy who's a prison guard, fyi) said this in response to my assertion that ISIS and the confederacy had some similarities.

"The Confederates were succeeding from an established country. They wore uniforms, they had battles. Were there atrocities? Sure there were. It was war time. ISIS is killing a race of people. They will kill anyone who does follow their point of view. As far as rather being beheaded, anyone of the methods that you suggested can be a slow and painful death. It is my wish that no one would ever have to chose any of these."

Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in American history but roughly 600,000 Americans died in the US civil war, started because a bunch of racist old white men didn't want to give up slavery, thought they were a supreme people, were incredibly racist, etc. This group of people attempted to secede and start their own country, and fought a bloody, terrible war to get it.

Sounds similar to ISIS, imho. They're attempting to secede from Iraq and establish their own state where they can have slaves and be psychotic racist extremists.

Unless of course it was ok for the confederates to start a war because of racism, and it's bad for ISIS to do it because it's about religion?

I'm confused. The confederacy was a really bad people that almost split American in half with bloody war. ISIS is doing the same damn thing, right? I totally agree that they are not exactly similar.

Thoughts?
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I just can't....
 
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TechBoyJK said:
Talking with some friends about the confederate flag issue, and after thinking about it, I started drawing quite a few parallels with ISIS and the Confederate Army in their tactics and reasoning for starting a war.

One person (a white guy who's a prison guard, fyi) said this in response to my assertion that ISIS and the confederacy had some similarities.

"The Confederates were succeeding from an established country. They wore uniforms, they had battles. Were there atrocities? Sure there were. It was war time. ISIS is killing a race of people. They will kill anyone who does follow their point of view. As far as rather being beheaded, anyone of the methods that you suggested can be a slow and painful death. It is my wish that no one would ever have to chose any of these."

Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in American history but roughly 600,000 Americans died in the US civil war, started because a bunch of racist old white men didn't want to give up slavery, thought they were a supreme people, were incredibly racist, etc. This group of people attempted to secede and start their own country, and fought a bloody, terrible war to get it.

Sounds similar to ISIS, imho. They're attempting to secede from Iraq and establish their own state where they can have slaves and be psychotic racist extremists.

Unless of course it was ok for the confederates to start a war because of racism, and it's bad for ISIS to do it because it's about religion?

I'm confused. The confederacy was a really bad people that almost split American in half with bloody war. ISIS is doing the same damn thing, right? I totally agree that they are not exactly similar.

Thoughts?
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Some Muslims told me that they wish the confederates won because the USA might not be as powerful as it is now. A divided USA would of played into the hands of many foreign Countries.

As far as I am concerned I hate their flag and what it stands for.
 
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Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in American history but roughly 600,000 Americans died in the US civil war, started because a bunch of racist old white men didn't want to give up slavery, thought they were a supreme people, were incredibly racist, etc.
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Slavery was an issue, yes. Yes, it is wrong and the South did allow it. But while it is very easy to paint the Civil War as "North good! No slavery! Winners!" and "South bad! Slavery! Losers!" for the sake of simplicity, it glosses over a great deal of context and complexity in the event.

I can't say I am actually familiar with what ISIS' goals are however.
 
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I don't know man, Isis was pretty great; she was the goddess health, marriage, AND wisdom. That's some solid ground there.

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OP once again makes a case for banning marijuana.


Kids: This is what pot does to your brain. Do you see this? Do you want to be like the OP?

Just say no to drugs!
 
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Remobz

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darkewaffle said:
Slavery was an issue, yes. Yes, it is wrong and the South did allow it. But while it is very easy to paint the Civil War as "North good! No slavery! Winners!" and "South bad! Slavery! Losers!" for the sake of simplicity, it glosses over a great deal of context and complexity in the event.

I can't say I am actually familiar with what ISIS' goals are however.
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Let's keep it simple concerning the civil war.

Simply imagine a USA divided and weakened going into WW1, WW2 and so on. How powerful would the USA be today?

A divided USA might of been one of the biggest reasons to back the North. Agreed?
 
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OP needs to learn a lot more about the Antebellum period of the south. To understand the Confederacy and the civil war you need to understand the lead up. It isn't nearly as simple as your perception seems to be. Drawing a correlation between ISIS and the CSA is a fairy tale. Not remotely similar.
 
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rudeguy said:
OP once again makes a case for banning marijuana.


Kids: This is what pot does to your brain. Do you see this? Do you want to be like the OP?

Just say no to drugs!
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Then again, it might be that he's just a moron? :hmm:

:biggrin:
 
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TechBoyJK

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Drako said:
Then again, it might be that he's just a moron? :hmm:

:biggrin:
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I'm not a history expert. I asked a legitimate question based on what I know regarding this subject and I admit I'm fairly ignorant of the subject. I posted the thread so that I could learn about different perspectives.

Is that ok?
 
norseamd

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TechBoyJK said:
Talking with some friends about the confederate flag issue, and after thinking about it, I started drawing quite a few parallels with ISIS and the Confederate Army in their tactics and reasoning for starting a war.

One person (a white guy who's a prison guard, fyi) said this in response to my assertion that ISIS and the confederacy had some similarities.

"The Confederates were succeeding from an established country. They wore uniforms, they had battles. Were there atrocities? Sure there were. It was war time. ISIS is killing a race of people. They will kill anyone who does follow their point of view. As far as rather being beheaded, anyone of the methods that you suggested can be a slow and painful death. It is my wish that no one would ever have to chose any of these."

Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in American history but roughly 600,000 Americans died in the US civil war, started because a bunch of racist old white men didn't want to give up slavery, thought they were a supreme people, were incredibly racist, etc. This group of people attempted to secede and start their own country, and fought a bloody, terrible war to get it.

Sounds similar to ISIS, imho. They're attempting to secede from Iraq and establish their own state where they can have slaves and be psychotic racist extremists.

Unless of course it was ok for the confederates to start a war because of racism, and it's bad for ISIS to do it because it's about religion?

I'm confused. The confederacy was a really bad people that almost split American in half with bloody war. ISIS is doing the same damn thing, right? I totally agree that they are not exactly similar.

Thoughts?
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Well there is worth in thinking about this I think as far as your primary question you are off the mark sufficiently that it is notable.
 
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TechBoyJK

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NesuD said:
OP needs to learn a lot more about the Antebellum period of the south. To understand the Confederacy and the civil war you need to understand the lead up. It isn't nearly as simple as your perception seems to be. Drawing a correlation between ISIS and the CSA is a fairy tale. Not remotely similar.
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I honestly haven't heard the word Antebellum since high school. I'll check it out.
 
Schmide

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It's a fair question and those who attack the messenger might as well just admit their racism.

Look at the parallels.

1) Forced migrations of millions of people. Check
2) Repression of millions of people. Check
3) Women forced to wear weird dress and not work. Check.

Feel free to add more.
 
norseamd

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TechBoyJK said:
Is that ok?
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Yes.

Maybe a more valid question is are the individuals from the Confederacy not much different than the individuals from ISIS despite the difference in intensity of hate and violence between the 2 organizations? I think they might not be that different in that consideration but that might also be true for many cultures, organizations, or militaries thoughout history.
 
Ruptga

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lol, fail/10

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Read this and take notes, that's how you troll.
 
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