Were Muslims even half this angered or stirred when Osama used Islam to murder 3000 Americans in one day?

dahunan

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Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business
 

RichardE

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So what if they are pissed off? They are pissed off with Europe. Remember, France, who said it would use nukes? :)
 

Meuge

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It gets better. In the other thread, they claimed that:

Danish Cartoons = Ridiculing and questioning the holocaust.

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!
 

Aimster

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Muslims in Europe seem to be a bunch of idiots

The intelligent ones seem to come to the U.S.

Europe just allows anyone in to work at the MCDs.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: Meuge

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!

That's one I never heard of. From everything I have read Muslims in America were scared for their lives and even started shaving their beards and not wearing headscarves. Can you link me up?

 

irwincur

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Hypocritical at best.

Every response we get from the Mulsim world about these issues does nothing but more clearly define the hate and intolerance that swirl at the center of their religion. Keep dressing it up all you want, it still stinks and it is getting more and more difficult to hide.

If Muslims really care about their neighbors and brothers they must respect our laws and culture. Not only their wishes and desires to force us to repspect theirs. It is a two way street.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business

They weren't angered at Osama because most of them agree with his cause.
 

Orignal Earl

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I remember back before 9/11. Suicide Bombers were a couple of terrorists who mainly struck in Israel and nobody on this side of the pond was really all that bothered aside from the * That's just horrible* comment after viewing it on the news. Then it was off to the basketball game. After 9/11, we all were horrified and we went on the hunt for Osama, the terrorist who was responsible. Time went on and we heard Bush saying he didn't care about Osama anymore and our boys continued on in Afghanistan. Then the tables started changing towards the invasion of Iraq
Iraq was invaded and the occupation began and slowly but surely the insurgency started and more and more people were beening killed. First we called them foreign terrorists then we noticed that a few Iraqi's were getting involved so we started using the term insurgents more. The lines between insurgent and terrorist became blurred and soon we were calling them all terrorists. The more the U.S. blew up the more the numbers increased. Now we are in a phase of blurring the whole Muslim religion with the terrorists and insurgents. The U.S. continues to blow up the bad guys taking more and more innocents along with them , extending the reach into Pakistan and rattling sabers with Iran. The mainly Muslim poplulations of these countries are faced with this everyday. We can not even imagine what they are going through. How does that saying go *For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction* ?
Heh, I remember thinking when the Berlin wall came down * Wow, We are finally going to start working towards peace. Now we can start getting rid of all the nukes*
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: Meuge

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!

That's one I never heard of. From everything I have read Muslims in America were scared for their lives and even started shaving their beards and not wearing headscarves. Can you link me up?

I can tell yopu we have one muslim poster here who was banned from another forum for cheering about the deaths caused by the 911 attack.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dahunan
Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business

They weren't angered at Osama because most of them agree with his cause.

proof that the majority support Osama?
Thanks
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dahunan
Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business

They weren't angered at Osama because most of them agree with his cause.

proof that the majority support Osama?
Thanks

Speaking of proof, I'd like to see some proof that the Iraqi's/Muslims are looking for the kidnaped hostages that turn up missing their heads every so often. That bothers me that we can't seem to capture any of them, kind of make me feel like all we're getting is lip service.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dahunan
Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business

They weren't angered at Osama because most of them agree with his cause.

proof that the majority support Osama?
Thanks

The silence sorta does it for me. You don't see muslims around the world getting together to get rid of terrorism. Instead they want to talk about how the Holocaust never happened.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dahunan
Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business

They weren't angered at Osama because most of them agree with his cause.

proof that the majority support Osama?
Thanks

The silence sorta does it for me. You don't see muslims around the world getting together to get rid of terrorism. Instead they want to talk about how the Holocaust never happened.

You do know there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world right?

The M.E accounts for 20-35% of them.

& I don't see the majority of the M.E praising Osama and talking about how the Holocaust never happened.

What silence? There was no silence. You only believe there was a silence.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Speaking of proof, I'd like to see some proof that the Iraqi's/Muslims are looking for the kidnaped hostages that turn up missing their heads every so often.

Growing Iraqi army fights to regain control

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Originally posted by: JS80
The silence sorta does it for me. You don't see muslims around the world getting together to get rid of terrorism. Instead they want to talk about how the Holocaust never happened.

Muslims Against Terrorism (MAT):
?As Muslims, we condemn terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. Ours is a religion of peace. We are sick and tired of extremists dictating the public face of Islam.?

Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt:
?We strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. We condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.? (Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 - 19 September 2001)

Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt: ?Attacking innocent people is not courageous; it is stupid and will be punished on the Day of Judgment.... It is not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom; it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.? (Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001)

Mehmet Nuri Yilmaz, Head of the Directorate of Religious Affairs of Turkey:
?Any human being, regardless of his ethnic and religious origin, will never think of carrying out such a violent, evil attack. Whatever its purpose is, this action cannot be justified and tolerated.? (September 21, 2001)

Ayatollah Ali Khamene'i, Supreme jurist-ruler of Iran:
?Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons?. carried out by any organization, country or individual is condemned. ... It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington. (Islamic Republic News Agency, September 16, 2001.

Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar), Turkey:
?Islam does not encourage any kind of terrorism; in fact, it denounces it. Those who use terrorism in the name of Islam, in fact, have no other faculty except ignorance and hatred.?

Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi, U.S:
The sudden barbaric attack on innocent citizens living in peace is extremely distressing and deplorable. Every gentle human heart goes out to the victims of this attack and as humans we are ashamed at the barbarism perpetrated by a few people. Islam, which is a religion of peace and tolerance, condemns this act and sees this is as a wounding scar on the face of humanity. I appeal to Muslims to strongly condemn this act, express unity with the victims' relatives, donate blood, money and do whatever it takes to help the affected people.

Abdal-Hakim Murad, Britain:
Targeting civilians is a negation of every possible school of Sunni Islam. Suicide bombing is so foreign to the Qur'anic ethos that the Prophet Samson is entirely absent from our scriptures. ("The Hijackers Were Not Muslims After All: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists,"

Lots more here
Muslim Reactions to September 11

For a Muslim leader in the Middle East condeming a terrorist is a very hard place to be put. In doing so, you basically are saying that you are siding with America. I would imagine that your not going to be a leader for very long when you put yourself in that situation
 

firewall

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Funny Cartoon = World Outrage and massive Death/Bomb Threats

Murder 3000 Americans = some polite political speak while the public went on with daily business

In the discussions I had with various people, I didn't support OBLs stand on 9/11.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I can tell yopu we have one muslim poster here who was banned from another forum for cheering about the deaths caused by the 911 attack.

One poster on this forum represents such a tiny fart it's hilarious. Even if you took all the posters who are convinced Islam is evil, it still is too tiny a fart to even pay attention too.
But thats why we are all here right. It's good to take note of all the different opinions. Even if most of them are ignorant. I have got to be one of the least experienced keyboarders/communicating through typing people here, yet I can google up answers to so many false assumptions put forth here. But when I was in my 20's my world view was even smaller


 

firewall

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Originally posted by: Meuge
It gets better. In the other thread, they claimed that:

Danish Cartoons = Ridiculing and questioning the holocaust.

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!

You are quite adept at twisting the words of other posters.

The comparison being made is the difference in the level of freedom in both cases.

For the cartoons, it is being said by you and your ilk that the Muslims shouldn't protest and force their laws/traditions/beliefs on other people while for the Holocaust, the people who pose the questions using their right of freedom are being put to jail for bringing forth their questions just because it is hurting the people with regards to their sentiments about the Holocaust.

This is a clear case of hypocrisy and I have not seen one single person with his/her anti-islamic agenda bring it forth or give a reasonable explanation for it. It is just being shunted to one side without a plausible explanation for the hypocrisy. I wouldn't expect anything less from these fanatics.
 

firewall

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: Meuge

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!

That's one I never heard of. From everything I have read Muslims in America were scared for their lives and even started shaving their beards and not wearing headscarves. Can you link me up?

That is a fact and a direct result of segregation and discrimination against the Muslims in the US. I was actually quite shocked to know about this initially. I never expected this to happen in the US. Oh how wrong I was!
 

firewall

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Hypocritical at best.

Every response we get from the Mulsim world about these issues does nothing but more clearly define the hate and intolerance that swirl at the center of their religion. Keep dressing it up all you want, it still stinks and it is getting more and more difficult to hide.

If Muslims really care about their neighbors and brothers they must respect our laws and culture. Not only their wishes and desires to force us to repspect theirs. It is a two way street.

Couldn't agree more with the bolded part but the imposing of one's own rules and beliefs is going on from both sides too. That fact is supposedly conveniently being forgotten.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: asadasif
Originally posted by: Meuge
It gets better. In the other thread, they claimed that:

Danish Cartoons = Ridiculing and questioning the holocaust.

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!

You are quite adept at twisting the words of other posters.

The comparison being made is the difference in the level of freedom in both cases.

For the cartoons, it is being said by you and your ilk that the Muslims shouldn't protest and force their laws/traditions/beliefs on other people while for the Holocaust, the people who pose the questions using their right of freedom are being put to jail for bringing forth their questions just because it is hurting the people with regards to their sentiments about the Holocaust.

This is a clear case of hypocrisy and I have not seen one single person with his/her anti-islamic agenda bring it forth or give a reasonable explanation for it. It is just being shunted to one side without a plausible explanation for the hypocrisy. I wouldn't expect anything less from these fanatics.

Ok
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: asadasif
Originally posted by: irwincur
Hypocritical at best.

Every response we get from the Mulsim world about these issues does nothing but more clearly define the hate and intolerance that swirl at the center of their religion. Keep dressing it up all you want, it still stinks and it is getting more and more difficult to hide.

If Muslims really care about their neighbors and brothers they must respect our laws and culture. Not only their wishes and desires to force us to repspect theirs. It is a two way street.

Couldn't agree more with the bolded part but the imposing of one's own rules and beliefs is going on from both sides too. That fact is supposedly conveniently being forgotten.

They were welcomed into a country, than forgot that they are suppose to adapt the customs of that country, not the other way around.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: asadasif
Originally posted by: Meuge
It gets better. In the other thread, they claimed that:

Danish Cartoons = Ridiculing and questioning the holocaust.

P.S. The public didn't go on with their daily business. They took to the streets to celebrate. I lived in a heavily Muslim neighborhood then, in New York of all places, and we had people celebrating in the streets!

You are quite adept at twisting the words of other posters.

The comparison being made is the difference in the level of freedom in both cases.

For the cartoons, it is being said by you and your ilk that the Muslims shouldn't protest and force their laws/traditions/beliefs on other people while for the Holocaust, the people who pose the questions using their right of freedom are being put to jail for bringing forth their questions just because it is hurting the people with regards to their sentiments about the Holocaust.

This is a clear case of hypocrisy and I have not seen one single person with his/her anti-islamic agenda bring it forth or give a reasonable explanation for it. It is just being shunted to one side without a plausible explanation for the hypocrisy. I wouldn't expect anything less from these fanatics.

Unless Muhammed was involved in murdering millions of people, I see no comparrision. If you see one, than perhaps what people say regarding Islam is correct. It is rotted to the core and intent on violence.
 

raildogg

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Who the heck is saying that muslims should not protest? Protest all you want I could give a flying f**k about it. When you threaten people with violence, recall ambassadors, break into embassies and create chaos, then you cross the line. You guys love to play the role of a victim when you are the agressor. Always have an excuse for everything.

When 9/11, the excuse was America supported Israel and meddled in the Middle East's business. When the London bombings happened, it was because of its support of America. When the radical muslims killed hundreds of school children in Russia, it was because of Russia's policies in Chechnya. Always an excuse for everything.

There is no segregation in the US, stop your pathetic lies. This was the first time a mass terrorist attack had hit the US from abroad. People were in fear and were shocked.

America is not used to these sorts of attacks on our soil. Other countries are used to the atrocities committed by radical muslims, not us. It was a first time.

Americans have treated muslims far better than other countries. If the same type of terror attack had occurred in China, Russia, France or just about any other country, what kind of treatment would the muslims have gotten?

It is far too easy to blame America and the Jews for all the world's problems. Look at your own people first.
 

firewall

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I remember back before 9/11. Suicide Bombers were a couple of terrorists who mainly struck in Israel and nobody on this side of the pond was really all that bothered aside from the * That's just horrible* comment after viewing it on the news. Then it was off to the basketball game. After 9/11, we all were horrified and we went on the hunt for Osama, the terrorist who was responsible. Time went on and we heard Bush saying he didn't care about Osama anymore and our boys continued on in Afghanistan. Then the tables started changing towards the invasion of Iraq
Iraq was invaded and the occupation began and slowly but surely the insurgency started and more and more people were beening killed. First we called them foreign terrorists then we noticed that a few Iraqi's were getting involved so we started using the term insurgents more. The lines between insurgent and terrorist became blurred and soon we were calling them all terrorists. The more the U.S. blew up the more the numbers increased. Now we are in a phase of blurring the whole Muslim religion with the terrorists and insurgents. The U.S. continues to blow up the bad guys taking more and more innocents along with them , extending the reach into Pakistan and rattling sabers with Iran. The mainly Muslim poplulations of these countries are faced with this everyday. We can not even imagine what they are going through. How does that saying go *For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction* ?
Heh, I remember thinking when the Berlin wall came down * Wow, We are finally going to start working towards peace. Now we can start getting rid of all the nukes*

Now the criteria for being labelled a terrorist is being a Muslim and not agreeing with the US policies or the policies of radical US allies. :roll:

No doubt so many Muslims strongly dislike the US for these very policies.