went grocery shopping - witnessed violent domestic abuse

[alkemyst]

While I am a big guy, I decided not to intervene in this instance. Doing so would have gotten me a possible assault charge. I would have had no problem dropping that guy.

lol, right. By your inability to act shows us all the man you are.

Yeah, you helping some chick out would have had you thrown in the slammer for life.

People suck.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Thats crazy. It's so hard to step in in a situation like that though. You can never know how the people involved will react.

 

[her209]

lol, right. By your inability to act shows us all the man you are.

Yeah, you helping some chick out would have had you thrown in the slammer for life.

People suck.

That's how most people end up getting shot/slashed/stabbed.

 

[Capt Caveman]

That's how most people end up getting shot/slashed/stabbed.

If it's to save some woman from getting the crapped kicked-out of her, so be it. Heck, even yelling at the person to stop is something most here would be too scared to do.

 

[spidey07]

your state allows jumping into any street fight with a gun? you sure about that?

The statute specifically names kidnapping and rape as perfectly fine to intervene in defense of 3rd party.

 

[kage69]

Something similar happened to me back in June. A car ahead of me pulled over and a little girl jumped out and started running. The driver got out and tackled her like he would in a football game, got on top of her and punched her. I screeched over onto the shoulder and started backing up into oncoming traffic to go help. Some big ol redneck across the road witnessed it from his front porch, and was making his way over on foot to come help too. The pissant who hits women saw us converging on him, jumped back into his ride and redlined it to about 100yds away, then yelled for the girl to get back in the car as "he had the fucking baby" The girl, bleeding from the mouth, ran over yelling to me not to do anything. It's not her dad, it's her husband! She was like 5'1", looked like she was 12!

Asshole sees me and the redneck make it back to our rides to begin pursuit, smokes his tires peeling out and heading into town on the same road. Ended up forcing 4 or 5 cars and trucks off the road, and almost caused a fully loaded logging truck to collide with a van full of people. Cops caught him minutes later, and he was arrested. She of course, was an uncooperative witness and it went no where. I believe that ass had to pay 2 small fines and that was it. Unbelievable. Can't imagine what kind of douche you have to be to punch a tiny woman like that, or drive like a maniac with an infant on board.

 

[Iron Woode]

to clarify something:

I have stepped in several times over the last 20 years in situations similar to this one without getting hurt. I only got attacked once. I dealt with him by ejecting him forcibly from my store.

Things are way more risky now than they were back then. The odds of a gun present are much higher as is a knife. Just last night during that storm we had some woman was shot outside a bar at 2:00AM by some jackasses acting all 'gangsta'.

 

[alkemyst]

Right to clarify, you only get involved when you know it's safe and you will win.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

to clarify something:

I have stepped in several times over the last 20 years in situations similar to this one without getting hurt. I only got attacked once. I dealt with him by ejecting him forcibly from my store.

Things are way more risky now than they were back then. The odds of a gun present are much higher as is a knife. Just last night during that storm we had some woman was shot outside a bar at 2:00AM by some jackasses acting all 'gangsta'.

Aren't guns illegal in canada?

 

[her209]

If it's to save some woman from getting the crapped kicked-out of her, so be it. Heck, even yelling at the person to stop is something most here would be too scared to do.

I think the more sensible thing is to not escalate a situation especially if the cops were already called. Telling the guy to calm down would be ok.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The statute specifically names kidnapping and rape as perfectly fine to intervene in defense of 3rd party.

Based on the story I don't think their was strong evidence of either. Especially since he didn't see the situation from the beginning. The fact the lady was screaming I don't want to go with you doesn't prove he was intending on kidnapping her, neither would her screaming help rape prove he was trying to rape her. What was clear was an assault. I'm not convinced I would have jumped in with a gun in the name of stopping a forcible felony in progress.(as is defined in CT state law, they don't specifically say rape or kidnapping though those would qualify)

 

[Capt Caveman]

I think the more sensible thing is to not escalate a situation especially if the cops were already called. Telling the guy to calm down would be ok.

Escalate the issue? He's choking and beating on a woman.

 

[sourceninja]

The police here take a dim view of doing that.

A guy here is facing charges for stopping a violent sexual assault on his girlfriend while she was at work. He showed up to see her and discovered the assault. He beat the hell out of the guy. He was charged for assaulting the attacker. This happened last year not far from where I live.

The secret here is to provoke a fight and get them to hit you first. That gives you the right of self defense.

In Indiana (my state) you have the right to protect yourself, your property, or the safety of others. You also are under no obligation to attempt to flee or to leave. (Stand your ground). So you could have intervened without issue (and I have in the past).

 

[her209]

Escalate the issue? He's choking and beating on a woman.

Engage him in a fist fight / physical altercation where possibly a weapon may be pulled out and used against you, bystanders and/or the victim...

 

[Capt Caveman]

Engage him in a fist fight / physical altercation where possibly a weapon may be pulled out and used against you, bystanders and/or the victim...

Before or after he's choked the woman to death? I'm guessing if he was slamming a baby to the ground, you would do nothing too?

 

[sourceninja]

Engage him in a fist fight / physical altercation where possibly a weapon may be pulled out and used against you, bystanders and/or the victim...

The problem with society is no one gives a shit about others anymore. We watch, we complain, but we never act. We think the system will take care of it. It never does.

Although honestly, I'm getting more and more jaded. I've seen too many girls go back to guys who do this to them. I'm almost of the opinion that they deserve what they get for refusing help.

 

[her209]

Before or after he's choked the woman to death? I'm guessing if he was slamming a baby to the ground, you would do nothing too?

And if he looked at her funny you blow a hole in his chest with your shotty? See I can throw out strawmen too.

 

[sourceninja]

And if he looked at her funny you blow a hole in his chest with your shotty? See I can throw out strawmen too.

I forgot what forum I was on, let me change my answer. I would get my suitcase out of the trunk, the one with the ultra lightweight sniper rifle. I would then head to a high area a few hundred yards (say 1000 yards) from the target and put 1 right between the eyes saving the girl.

 

[Capt Caveman]

And if he looked at her funny you blow a hole in his chest with your shotty? See I can throw out strawmen too.

No, you're just throwing out that you wouldn't help a woman being choked to death.

 

[her209]

No, you're just throwing out that you wouldn't help a woman being choked to death.

Choked to death? She broke free.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Choked to death? She broke free.

Yes, b/c you were standing there watching while others were reacting when it first occurred. Bravo!

 

[ElFenix]

A guy here is facing charges for stopping a violent sexual assault on his girlfriend while she was at work. He showed up to see her and discovered the assault. He beat the hell out of the guy. He was charged for assaulting the attacker. This happened last year not far from where I live.

wtf where did she work?

 

[TheNinja]

If some dude is willing to do that in broad daylight, I have no doubt he would turn and attack anyone who confronts him either with fisticuffs or a weapon. Sorry, I got small kids, I'm not going to get killed over a situation that does not appear to be life threatening to someone else. Ya, he had her in a headlock but from the details in the OP, I don't think her life was in danger. I'm calling cops and they can handle it, or store/parking lot security. That is their job and they are trained to do it.

 

[her209]

Yes, b/c you were standing there watching while others were reacting when it first occurred. Bravo!

Where did you read that?

 

[Modelworks]

The second he had her in a choke hold and people are just standing there watching they are a bunch of cowards. When you have a group of people watching someone get harmed and you do nothing that is wrong. You are a group, he is one, you can easily step in and get the woman some help. This is just like when people stand around and watch someone get kicked to death. You are not being smart , you are being a coward. One on one is different but a group should never allow a single person to beat down another person.

I dare someone to try something like that here. I guess things are different in small towns. Here if you were to even raise your voice at a woman in a public place you would have all the guys around all over you.