went grocery shopping - witnessed violent domestic abuse

[Numenorean]

get out of my troll thread.

I don't think he wants to.

 

[eits]

OMG!

I just left the store and I am outside for maybe 20 seconds and I see a guy yelling and twisting a woman's arm. She's screaming and is trying to hold on to her stroller that has her baby in it. The kid is screaming. Customers and store staff go running to see what's going on.

By this time he has her in a choke hold and her face is turning bright red. She is still trying to scream and he is yelling for her to come with him. She breaks free and screams she doesn't want to go with him.

At that point a woman calls 911 and within 2 mins 3 cruisers have them surrounded. Store security staff prevented them from leaving the parking lot until police arrived.

Bastard is looking at several felony charges. In case it matters they appeared to be in their early to mid twenties.

While I am a big guy, I decided not to intervene in this instance. Doing so would have gotten me a possible assault charge. I would have had no problem dropping that guy.

it's not assault if it's self defense... and if he throws the first punch, it's self defense... and security cameras and witnesses will back you up.

 

[ichy]

I once saw a man hit his wife in the face, so I intervened and the woman had a go at me! And told me to mind my own business... Wow.

Some people choose to be victims. It's sad, but there's no point in wasting your time on them.

 

[HAL9000]

Some people choose to be victims. It's sad, but there's no point in wasting your time on them.

I know, it was just difficult to tell from before I intervened.

 

[Newbian]

You shouldn't get an assault charge. It is defense of an innocent. You could even say you felt threatened by him and decided to defend yourself.

The problem is this day and age you can even get sued for helping a person get out of a car that has crashed and at risk of catching fire as the supreme court has said.

 

[dabuddha]

Cat fight, she instantly assessed you as being a woman. You just have to interpret things correctly neckbeard.

hahaha

 

[IceBergSLiM]

there were about 15 people already getting involved.

so you had 15 witnesses to say you didn't assault anybody....

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The problem is this day and age you can even get sued for helping a person get out of a car that has crashed and at risk of catching fire as the supreme court has said.

which case was that?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I already posted, in my state it would be a good shoot in defense of a 3rd party. The kidnapping/rape aspect makes is automatic.

your state allows jumping into any street fight with a gun? you sure about that?

 

[Newbian]

which case was that?

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202426887859&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

The case was spawned by a botched rescue attempt by Lisa Torti, who pulled a friend, Alexandra Van Horn, out of a wrecked car in the Los Angeles area on Halloween night of 2003. Torti claimed she saw smoke and thought the car was about to explode.


Van Horn was left a paraplegic, and blamed Torti's efforts to help her. She sued Torti and Anthony Watson, the driver of the wrecked car, for negligence.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

attempted kidnapping or unlawful confinement.

he also faces automatic jail time for the assault. He will have to post bail in 24hrs.

Based on your recount of the story those charges are flimsy at best.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202426887859&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

california lulz who cares about them

 

[PimpJuice]

I once saw a man hit his wife in the face, so I intervened and the woman had a go at me! And told me to mind my own business... Wow.

She found you more annoying.

 

[Hoober]

Attempted kidnapping or possible rape, choking/threat of severe bodily injury or death plus witnesses.

Yep, good shoot in defense of 3rd party.

Depending on the state. They aren't all the same in the use of deadly force.

 

[PingSpike]

I know, it was just difficult to tell from before I intervened.

Ehhh...honestly, if they're boyfriend is beating her in public its probably because he's beaten her at home a hundred times before and is now upping the ante.

 

[her209]

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202426887859&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

There was a story not too long ago where a woman was pulled from a burning car by two guys. When it was found out 3 years later that she may have been trying to commit suicide, the two guys sued her.

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=524648

 

[Iron Woode]

Based on your recount of the story those charges are flimsy at best.

with her screaming "I don't want to go with him!" while holding her in a choke hold and dragging her to his car is considered forcible confinement. Just simply keeping someone in one spot preventing them from going about their business (for whatever reason) is unlawful confinement here unless done by security officers or police.

Even shop owners are not allowed to do this in cases of theft or assault.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

There was a story not too long ago where a woman was pulled from a burning car by two guys. When it was found out 3 years later that she may have been trying to commit suicide, the two guys sued her.

http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=524648

Now *that* is fucked. I can actually fully understand opposition to "Good Samaritan" laws. In the previous case the attempted assistant may have caused significant harm and a law suit is justified. It's no different Joe Badass shooting an innocent assuming the victim to be a burglar or whatever. But how can you sue when you willingly go out of your way to help? Their decision, their problem. I hope they fail and that their injuries are truly crippling.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

with her screaming "I don't want to go with him!" while holding her in a choke hold and dragging her to his car is considered forcible confinement. Just simply keeping someone in one spot preventing them from going about their business (for whatever reason) is unlawful confinement here unless done by security officers or police.

Even shop owners are not allowed to do this in cases of theft or assault.

never heard of that. Seems like American football players would have dozens of charges after every game. Sack the quarterback? Unlawful confinement. Block the linebacker? Unlawful confinement. stupid laws are stupid.

 

[Josh123]

You did the right thing OP. Who knows, the guy could have had a gun or knife. You never know what to expect when people go into a rage like that.

 

[Capt Caveman]

The problem is this day and age you can even get sued for helping a person get out of a car that has crashed and at risk of catching fire as the supreme court has said.

Still wouldn't stop me from helping. Too many weaksauces nowadays.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

never heard of that. Seems like American football players would have dozens of charges after every game. Sack the quarterback? Unlawful confinement. Block the linebacker? Unlawful confinement. stupid laws are stupid.

LOL.

I've never heard of punching someone in the face being considered assault either. wut is up with boxing amirite?

EDIT: Google ftw.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2009001/article/10781-eng.htm

 

[IceBergSLiM]

LOL.

I've never heard of punching someone in the face being considered assault either. wut is up with boxing amirite?

EDIT: Google ftw.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2009001/article/10781-eng.htm

who gives a damn about canada anyways.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

who gives a damn about canada anyways.

The op, for one.

 

[Josh]

http://abcnews.go.com/WhatWouldYouDo/domestic-violence-diner/story?id=10636512