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Well this just happened...I now own a Mustang Mach-E

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Achievement Unlocked - Midlife crisis car purchased. 😛

Real long story short, a contract I'm on got renewed for another 4 years. I have to drive a several hundred miles a month that I get a per diem for. The used car market is batshit insanity and Carvana is giving me a crazy amount of money for a beat to hell, nearly 10 year old C-max hybrid. I had a reservation in for a Lightning to replace my minivan but never paid attention to the Mach-E's. Not sure why, I just never really even looked at them. Then I did. And then I grabbed a demo from a dealer and put 300 miles on it. And that demo ended up being about the only Premium, AWD extended battery in the Western United states and the dealer gave it to me for sticker when the basic models are going for $3k-$10k over sticker. So now I have a shiny red Mustang Mach-E sitting in my drive.

I ended up doing the Ford Options plan which is sort of a hybrid between lease and financing. You sign up for a 3 or 4 year agreement with a mileage allowance per year (7500 up to 20k or so). Ford titles it in your name so all state and federal rebates go to you. Under traditional leases they don't. There's a balloon buyout at the end. We did 4 years with a balloon buyout of $25k. Internal financing rates are 2.25% and Ford tossed in a $1000 bonus cash with it. Between the crazy trade in from my old car, the $10k rebates and money saved with my per diem (no gas yay!) I get 2 of the four years free for driving it. Then the next two years are on me. At the end of 4, I can walk away from it, buy it for the balloon or sell it/trade it in if it's worth more than the balloon payment. With as rapid as EV tech is moving, I figured in 3-4 years we could step into something newer with more range. And if not, this car is exactly what I wanted anyway. So for lack of better pun, I like the options it provides.

That said...this car is cool. Never have I had a vehicle with such a duality of personality. In town, in Whisper mode, with 1 pedal driving it's a rolling vault. It is so quiet and calming to drive. I don't know if the B&O system in there is just that much better than anything I've had, or if the car is so quiet (or some combo of both) but I'm hearing things in songs I've never heard before. It's a rolling hifi set of headphones. So enjoyable. But then you flip it to Unbridled and take it out to the switchbacks in the mountains and this thing just shreds. So much grip. So much power on demand. Just point it at a curve and press. There's no lag in transmission. No shifting. No shudder. Just pinned to the seat giggling. My kids loved it. My wife loved it. I loved it. Just an absolute blast to rip through the mountains with. I thought I would hate the full length roof glass, but after the demo I was sold. It just opens up so much light and makes it feel twice as big as it is inside.

The seats are amazing. The back seat passenger seat is actually functional, and the cargo space isn't awful. Frunk opens up a little more space for small odds and ends. I'll probably be doing an illicit upgrade to install a hitch on it. There's no roof rails or OEM hitch offering. But I want more cargo/bike space for weekend trips.

Car is by no means perfect. It's basically a beta release car and we're all public testers. Front camera has issues that dealer still has to fix. Phone as a key is dorked up. Some little fit and finish things needed more attention (cargo cover is a joke). But generally, for just car stuff it works. And where it really matters....smiles and creature comforts...all is there.

My level 2 charger is set to come in next week so just doing trickle charges with 110...ick. But it's what it is. Can always swing by an Electrify America station and drop a couple bucks of juice in it. We had the demo over the 4th weekend and used the EA chargers a couple times. A handful were out of service, but the ones that did work, worked fine. I accept where things are the process and it will only get better as more people adopt. So I went ahead and jumped in to be part of that.

Totally didn't need the car. It's not an economical decision. But I WFH outside of days I travel, and my wife bikes to work. So this is something to top off on a Friday and take out on weekends and just have fun. And that it does well. 🙂

The car is actually in my wife's name. She's a good sport and said "This is my mid-life crisis car. You can save your crisis for later for something else." 😛

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Awesome! Congratulations! Mach-E have been getting really good reviews. I really like what the new Ford CEO is doing to move the company forward.

It’s not a Tesla but I’ll let it slide this one time. 😛 One less ICE car on the road is a win for humanity. I’m hoping to join you next year on the switch to EV with the new Cybertruck.
 
I'll be honest, the only thing that appeals to me about Tesla's is the infrastructure. That's it. Not a Musk fan. Not a fan of their interior design. The handling. Them forcing everything to the touch screen. Ect. I just don't like them. But they simply crush anything else out there for the supercharger network.

The cybertruck is stupid looking inside and out. I have *ZERO* desire to own or even entertain it. The lightning I think is incredible. And I've got my eye on the Rivian truck releasing this summer/fall. Here in Oregon, the Mach-E qualified for the state EV credit of $2500 since the base models are under $50,000. And Tesla doesn't get any more Federal credits at this point. So it just wasn't even in the mix of shopping for me. Money didn't add up and put the fit and finish and just other things into the mix and the Mach-E was just more overall appealing.

Now feel free to shame/mock/I told you so in 6 months when I'm stranded on the road because the only EA charge station in 100 miles was completely off line and I come here and bitch about it. And you'll be right. 😀
 
That's kind of a boring choice for a midlife crisis car, no? I would have least went with the GT model. If it can't do burnouts, it's not a real Mustang 🙂

The F-150 Lightning seems like a cool ride to me, though. I'm not sure why I would need a truck, but then I didn't really need a muscle car either. 😀
 
I wanted a GT. But I had concerns that at this point I might not get the federal credit if it takes 6+ months to get delivered. It also has a lower ground clearance than the premium trim by about an inch and a half. I want to take it up to Mt Hood and regularly through Cascade Locks on I-84 in the winter and wanted that clearance for snow.

A lot of cars are fast as hell and can thrash about anything on the road without a burn out. This is still a sub 5 second 0-60 and will destroy about anything on a twisty mountain ascent.

I just don't have to spend as much on tires.
 
I'll be honest, the only thing that appeals to me about Tesla's is the infrastructure. That's it. Not a Musk fan. Not a fan of their interior design. The handling. Them forcing everything to the touch screen. Ect. I just don't like them. But they simply crush anything else out there for the supercharger network.

The cybertruck is stupid looking inside and out. I have *ZERO* desire to own or even entertain it. The lightning I think is incredible. And I've got my eye on the Rivian truck releasing this summer/fall. Here in Oregon, the Mach-E qualified for the state EV credit of $2500 since the base models are under $50,000. And Tesla doesn't get any more Federal credits at this point. So it just wasn't even in the mix of shopping for me. Money didn't add up and put the fit and finish and just other things into the mix and the Mach-E was just more overall appealing.

Now feel free to shame/mock/I told you so in 6 months when I'm stranded on the road because the only EA charge station in 100 miles was completely off line and I come here and bitch about it. And you'll be right. 😀

That is the dilemma I'm in right now. I am concerned about the fit and finish issues with Teslas. The fact that many of their cars require dealership techs to make adjustments before delivery to fix those fit and finish issues. The fact that getting parts for repairs takes so long. And then there's Tesla's willy nilly approach to hardware revisions, minor and major, regardless if they are justified or not. I am also not a fan of the all touch screen interiors since they, essentially, require you to take your eyes off the road to use them.

But....Teslas do have top tier batteries. And top tier motors, both in terms of efficiency and power. Their super charging network is unmatched. And their software regularly receives updates and new features.

My next car WILL be an EV. That may be a while since my 2011 Subaru Legacy, which has 200k miles and has never broken down *knocks on wood*, is still going strong. But when the day comes that my Subaru even hints that something is going majorly wrong, I will have to make the tough choice of ignoring Tesla's many minor flaws as an overall car, even though it very much gets right the core EV traits, or choosing in favor of a better overall car, even if it isn't as good an EV.
 
Welcome to the EV clan. Only bad thing about it is that every time you drive an ICE vehicle. you will wonder if there is something wrong with it.

For some reason I thought EA had an app that would tell when chargers were offline
 
Man, you went from an abacus to a threadripper! Congrats!! Welcome to the future!
 
That is the dilemma I'm in right now. I am concerned about the fit and finish issues with Teslas. The fact that many of their cars require dealership techs to make adjustments before delivery to fix those fit and finish issues. The fact that getting parts for repairs takes so long. And then there's Tesla's willy nilly approach to hardware revisions, minor and major, regardless if they are justified or not. I am also not a fan of the all touch screen interiors since they, essentially, require you to take your eyes off the road to use them.

But....Teslas do have top tier batteries. And top tier motors, both in terms of efficiency and power. Their super charging network is unmatched. And their software regularly receives updates and new features.

My next car WILL be an EV. That may be a while since my 2011 Subaru Legacy, which has 200k miles and has never broken down *knocks on wood*, is still going strong. But when the day comes that my Subaru even hints that something is going majorly wrong, I will have to make the tough choice of ignoring Tesla's many minor flaws as an overall car, even though it very much gets right the core EV traits, or choosing in favor of a better overall car, even if it isn't as good an EV.

I love Tesla, but I have concerns about support (long drive to the nearest support station, have had to drive friends several times), as I rely on my car 24/7 (Ford dealerships are everywhere if I need an emergency fix), as well as fit & finish, as "Delivery 2.0" (delivery, huge checklist to review, then it goes to the shop to fix, then you take delivery again lol) is pretty standard on the Model Y FB group.

Also not a fan of moving everything to the touchscreen. Creature comforts like a HUD (sooooo useful!) & physical, tactile buttons are awesome; Ford did a great job with the big ole' knob on the touchscreen on the Mach-E & Lighting imo.
 
That's kind of a boring choice for a midlife crisis car, no? I would have least went with the GT model. If it can't do burnouts, it's not a real Mustang 🙂

The F-150 Lightning seems like a cool ride to me, though. I'm not sure why I would need a truck, but then I didn't really need a muscle car either. 😀

I dunno, should we allow him into the Mustang club? Right now it's just the two of us 😛
 
I'll be honest, the only thing that appeals to me about Tesla's is the infrastructure. That's it. Not a Musk fan. Not a fan of their interior design. The handling. Them forcing everything to the touch screen. Ect. I just don't like them. But they simply crush anything else out there for the supercharger network.

The cybertruck is stupid looking inside and out. I have *ZERO* desire to own or even entertain it. The lightning I think is incredible. And I've got my eye on the Rivian truck releasing this summer/fall. Here in Oregon, the Mach-E qualified for the state EV credit of $2500 since the base models are under $50,000. And Tesla doesn't get any more Federal credits at this point. So it just wasn't even in the mix of shopping for me. Money didn't add up and put the fit and finish and just other things into the mix and the Mach-E was just more overall appealing.

Now feel free to shame/mock/I told you so in 6 months when I'm stranded on the road because the only EA charge station in 100 miles was completely off line and I come here and bitch about it. And you'll be right. 😀

I love Tesla's seats, but I do like more creature comforts on the interior. The Cybertruck design grew on me, but I 100% think it's ugly lol. But then again I like weird cars (Beetles, Kia Souls, etc.). I actually really like the interior of the Cybertruck tho, seems pretty awesome from the videos!

I think the Rivian is the best-looking truck on the market. Just really really great industrial design, they nailed the aesthetic! Right now I think Ford has the smartest design: remote frunk with a drain, outlets everywhere, looks normal, everything is really well thought-out, lots of usable creature comforts (like the center laptop tray that flips down), etc.

Your Mach-E is a beast! Did you name her yet??
 
I'm the wrong guy to ask, since I'm still under the mindset that any vehicle with 4 doors shouldn't be called a Mustang 🙂

I sort of wish it had been called the Stallion or something. More room, AWD, electric, etc. Things are getting crazy tho. iirc the new top-end Mustang isn't even offered with a manual transmission because humans can't shift faster than the automatics now. I think it's the same with the new top-end Porsche models too!

tbh I wouldn't say no to an electric AWD Mustang coupe. I love my Ecoboost, and electronic stability control helps a bunch in the winter (as does having a MT), but a battery plus AWD would be welcome additions lol.
 
I sort of wish it had been called the Stallion or something. More room, AWD, electric, etc. Things are getting crazy tho. iirc the new top-end Mustang isn't even offered with a manual transmission because humans can't shift faster than the automatics now. I think it's the same with the new top-end Porsche models too!

tbh I wouldn't say no to an electric AWD Mustang coupe. I love my Ecoboost, and electronic stability control helps a bunch in the winter (as does having a MT), but a battery plus AWD would be welcome additions lol.

Yeah, I think that the ICE powered Mustangs have hit the limits on what you can do with a RWD car. When you floor the accelerator, a lot of the power is turned into tire smoke when it loses traction.

If they want sub 3 second 0-60 times in the next generation cars, they're going to need to add electric motors and an AWD powertrain.
 
Grats. It is a great looking car. Great color too. I hope you keep it for a long time and keep us updated on its performance.
 
Some notes from the field after about a week....

It's a comfortable car. Very comfortable. 4 "average" adults fit great and there's a deceptive amount of space in the rear hatch area for luggage/stuff. The panoramic roof is a major hit with about everyone and I wouldn't buy one of these without it. It adds a couple extra inches of headroom and just makes the car feel 2x bigger than it is inside. It also does a pretty fantastic job of blocking out heat/sun. You know the sun is there, but it's not hot. Whatever tint/film they use is very effective.

We went down to wine country and ended up on gravel roads. This thing just chews up that surface. So planted and composed between the weight and AWD. Hills are effortless.

I think the only thing limiting this car on long high speed road trips are going to be charge sessions. I started an 80+ mile drive with 4 adults in a mixed urban/rural use at 200 miles and around 80% of charge. Got back with still 150 miles of range and a 50% charge. There were a number of hills, the AC was blasting, and I was not modest with the throttle. Range looks to be pretty dang good.

I've been charging over 110 and the trickle charge is working for now. My Level 2 charger gets delivered today and then I have to wait a few weeks for the electricians to install. With my use case the trickle charge is working fine. Once weather turns south and we head into rain season I'll definitely want my outdoor rated level 2 up and running.

My single biggest complaint right now is the hood and driving position. I'm struggling to get used to it. The hood is *long*. And you don't have a good view over it. The cameras are way too slow to turn on when pulling into a spot and then way too aggressive in warnings when you approach obstacles. So end up parking like a good 12-18" further away than you want to. In my drive there's a concrete knee wall that sticks up about a foot out of the ground. It's a bumper destroyer if you aren't careful. I'm really struggling to accurately approach it and stop where I want. The cameras can't see it and the hood is so high and long that it obscures exactly where the wall is. Eventually I'll get a feel for it, but I'm just waiting to see who ends up scraping the front first...me or my wife. It's *going* to happen.

The accelerator pedal in reverse is also a little wonky. It takes *a lot* of pressure to get it to engage and then when you have one pedal driving on it ends up being a bit of a jerky mess. Again, probably get better with time, but you really feel like everyone is staring at you when you back out of spots. Because they super are.

Which is the other thing...good god does this thing draw attention. 😛

The amount of eyes that stare it up and down are...high...very very high. I've never had so many people come up and and want to talk about a car.
 
Some notes from the field after about a week....

It's a comfortable car. Very comfortable. 4 "average" adults fit great and there's a deceptive amount of space in the rear hatch area for luggage/stuff. The panoramic roof is a major hit with about everyone and I wouldn't buy one of these without it. It adds a couple extra inches of headroom and just makes the car feel 2x bigger than it is inside. It also does a pretty fantastic job of blocking out heat/sun. You know the sun is there, but it's not hot. Whatever tint/film they use is very effective.

We went down to wine country and ended up on gravel roads. This thing just chews up that surface. So planted and composed between the weight and AWD. Hills are effortless.

I think the only thing limiting this car on long high speed road trips are going to be charge sessions. I started an 80+ mile drive with 4 adults in a mixed urban/rural use at 200 miles and around 80% of charge. Got back with still 150 miles of range and a 50% charge. There were a number of hills, the AC was blasting, and I was not modest with the throttle. Range looks to be pretty dang good.

I've been charging over 110 and the trickle charge is working for now. My Level 2 charger gets delivered today and then I have to wait a few weeks for the electricians to install. With my use case the trickle charge is working fine. Once weather turns south and we head into rain season I'll definitely want my outdoor rated level 2 up and running.

My single biggest complaint right now is the hood and driving position. I'm struggling to get used to it. The hood is *long*. And you don't have a good view over it. The cameras are way too slow to turn on when pulling into a spot and then way too aggressive in warnings when you approach obstacles. So end up parking like a good 12-18" further away than you want to. In my drive there's a concrete knee wall that sticks up about a foot out of the ground. It's a bumper destroyer if you aren't careful. I'm really struggling to accurately approach it and stop where I want. The cameras can't see it and the hood is so high and long that it obscures exactly where the wall is. Eventually I'll get a feel for it, but I'm just waiting to see who ends up scraping the front first...me or my wife. It's *going* to happen.

The accelerator pedal in reverse is also a little wonky. It takes *a lot* of pressure to get it to engage and then when you have one pedal driving on it ends up being a bit of a jerky mess. Again, probably get better with time, but you really feel like everyone is staring at you when you back out of spots. Because they super are.

Which is the other thing...good god does this thing draw attention. 😛

The amount of eyes that stare it up and down are...high...very very high. I've never had so many people come up and and want to talk about a car.
Sounds exactly like....a Ford. haha. They get some things down pat but they always put in a few hiccups...

But they've been in the game a long time...and I'll bet Tesla will be dragged down a bit as the traditional manufacturers pure more gas watts into the game.

Leads to to believe now's the time to gobble up some Ford stock.
 
One other note, Phone as a Key is...whatever is before Beta...Q/A tier? Just skip it for now and get a second physical FOB. It's trash. Between that constantly trying to find my car and Android auto being a voracious resource hog my poor Pixel 3 is gasping for battery. I'm about *this* close to deleting my PaaK activation.
 
Congrats Josh! I haven't been around AT much in the last few years (you live here in Oregon now??), but it's good to see we still have similar taste in vehicles. 😀 I sold my own C-Max Energi last year (which turned out to be quite a solid vehicle) and bought a Pacifica Hybrid. The van has been frankly fantastic both around town and for long road trips - I managed to drive down to San Diego and back with my two elementary aged girls and got minimal complaints, largely due to the built-in Blu-Ray player. 😛 I got the full Fed and OR tax rebates on it; it is surprisingly luxurious inside and it's an incredibly versatile vehicle.

My wife and I have super short commutes (and we're mostly working from home for the time being) so I just sold my 2012 Cadillac SRX that I had bought cheap from my in-laws years ago to take advantage of the overheated used car values. I'm planning to take my time to look for a used EV as a city car; I really don't need much range since we take the van everywhere with the kids. Even so, used choices are a bit limited... I've been thinking i3 for the fun factor, although there are some reliability concerns with it.

It sounds like you are loving the car so far, and the Ford Options thing is interesting. The Mach-E would be near the top of my list if I was going new; the Ioniq 5 also looks really nifty. I'll be interested to see your impressions as time goes on!
 
Congrats Josh! I haven't been around AT much in the last few years (you live here in Oregon now??), but it's good to see we still have similar taste in vehicles. 😀 I sold my own C-Max Energi last year (which turned out to be quite a solid vehicle) and bought a Pacifica Hybrid. The van has been frankly fantastic both around town and for long road trips - I managed to drive down to San Diego and back with my two elementary aged girls and got minimal complaints, largely due to the built-in Blu-Ray player. 😛 I got the full Fed and OR tax rebates on it; it is surprisingly luxurious inside and it's an incredibly versatile vehicle.

My wife and I have super short commutes (and we're mostly working from home for the time being) so I just sold my 2012 Cadillac SRX that I had bought cheap from my in-laws years ago to take advantage of the overheated used car values. I'm planning to take my time to look for a used EV as a city car; I really don't need much range since we take the van everywhere with the kids. Even so, used choices are a bit limited... I've been thinking i3 for the fun factor, although there are some reliability concerns with it.

It sounds like you are loving the car so far, and the Ford Options thing is interesting. The Mach-E would be near the top of my list if I was going new; the Ioniq 5 also looks really nifty. I'll be interested to see your impressions as time goes on!


LOL! We may have been the only two households in America with a C-Max and a Pacifica 😀. I bought mine in 2016 and Plug in's were just getting released. They had some production issues and had them all held at the factory for more review. That plus the no stow and go and and went for the normal ICE version. It's been a good vehicle. I don't *really* want to sell it, but the money is almost too good not to right now. Plus 99% of the year we don't need two vehicles. I WFH with the exception of a few days a month and my wife is 100% bike to work.
 
The dealership finally got the front camera/front sensor issue corrected. Man what a difference that makes in long distance driving. Last month we did our first kinda long drive. Went from Portland to Seattle. It's about a 3.5 hour drive each way. Had the car charged up all the way to 100 for the trip there. Got all the way up to Seattle with about 80 miles to Spare. Kept the car in parking garage most of the weekend, and then stopped south of Seattle in Kent at an EA high speed charger at a Walmart. Took about 33 minutes to go from 18% to 78% charge. It was 53kWh of juice for a little under $17. We got ice cream sandwiches from walmart while we waited 😛

Car is super quiet at highway speeds, is deceptively fast (I'm scared for my wife's first speeding ticket) and was a great medium range tripper for a family of four. I did not have the camera fixed then so we had to go cruise-free the whole way.

I got the camera fixed at the end of last week. Since then I've done two trips there around 200 miles each. HOLY CRAP is just basic co-pilot a game changer. I drive I-84 from Portland east towards Hood River. It's a bending, rolling, speed up/speed down dumpster fire some days. Not anymore. The cruise assist is awesome. Turn it on, pick a speed, and just keep your hands on the wheel every now and then. For almost 2 hours all I operated was the blinker and radio. Kept my hands on the wheel to keep the assist happy. But otherwise it drove itself. It's my first real experience with it. I did a bit with a newer Accord for a rental, but it wasn't anything like this was. If traffic comes to a crawl it slows down on it's own. Once speed picks back up the car ramps back up. Winds were gusting at over 25 MPH yesterday and flinging cars around. Not me. The assist recognized the creep and kept things centered.

I have a couple quirks with it. It leaves a very healthy gap between you and the car ahead. Someone can jump the gap and the Mustang *really* dumps on the brakes. To the point if a car behind you isn't prepared they are going to hit you. So if you see someone tail gating you, either speed up and narrow the gap or be prepared to keep your foot on the gas to prevent the brake engage.

On curves, it felt like it started the entry too late for my liking a lot of the time and then would be very aggressive in diving in. Also, it tended to hug the median a little close for my liking. I would steer it away and it would stay there then. I did note a number of times the system would disengage without much warning. This seemed more common when the car was too close to a median or shoulder than I wanted and we were actively fighting each other for the wheel. Eventually it gets mad and rage quits. Hope you weren't looking away when it did. So it's not perfect. Ford is still finishing up the full autonomy setup before they push it to the vehicles. Will be interesting to see feedback/issues with that launch.

Even with the quirks I noted, my overall energy level when I got done driving was significantly better than a non-assisted drive. Just the fact that I didn't have to modulate a brake/gas pedal helped. Not to mention the lower attention level required to keep lanes centered in gusty conditions. I'm totally spoiled now.

I've had my Level 2 charger ready for install for 6 weeks...but it's still a 2 week wait for an electrician to look at it. :/ Our use case is low enough that I can trickle charge for now over 110 at home to get it ready for weekends. Then if necessary, hit an EA high speed while traveling. It's been working.

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Having previously owned an F-150, I liked having a truck for what it is and is not. Simple functional and roomy, built like a tank and extra nice if it doesn't guzzle gas. I don't buy cars for how it looks as cars and trucks to me have always been a tool to serve a purpose. The Cybertruck fits my needs as an evacuation vehicle living in Florida. I'll be that last person to leave driving offroad, thru water, bypassing the gas stations, with trees and debris flying around, and with enough range to get me out of the hurricane cone. It will have tons of room for family of 5 and a covered bed to haul my stuffs. I won't care about little dings or scratch or rust on the truck if anything can do that to the stainless steel. Besides Elon gave it to me for free for buying his stocks last year during the stock crash.
 
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