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fskimospy

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It's not uncommon for a student that did poorly GPA wise as an undergrad to have a much much better post grad GPA.

All it takes to fuck up your GPA for undergrad is one realy bad Freshman year of making mostly C-D's.

Quite a few can save themselves if the college offers grade forgiveness by retaking the same class twice.

What gets me is many still don't pull an A off the second time around, I can't get that.

University of Phoenix is a respected school. There are others as well. Unless you think everything online is still make-believe like many did in the 90's then you'd know this.

It's extremely common for those with bad undergrad GPA's to have higher graduate GPAs because grad schools don't grade the same way undergrad does. (in most grad programs outside of engineering, a B- is the basic equivalent to an F. You are usually given the boot if you can't maintain a 3.0)

I'm sorry, but the University of Phoenix is not a respected school. It's known as the school you go to if you can't go anywhere else. This isn't to slam your brother, but it's the truth.
 

daishi5

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Wow, upon further investigation, UoP's graduation rate is 16% overall, and 4% for their online division.

I mean I knew it was bad... but.... jesus.

That actually makes me think that UoP might be better than I assumed. A low graduation rate online seems to indicate to me that they are not lowering their requirements to inflate their numbers. I am almost done with my degree, almost all 300 and higher courses have been online, and this is through a state school. Taking the classes online is a lot harder than being in class. Every class starts with the letter from the professor warning every student that an online course requires dedication and strong communication skills. Given that UoP takes almost anyone that applies, I would have wouldn't have trusted them if they had a high graduation rate. If they let anyone in the door, but only let those who really work and understand the material graduate, that may not be such a bad thing.
 

alkemyst

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It's extremely common for those with bad undergrad GPA's to have higher graduate GPAs because grad schools don't grade the same way undergrad does. (in most grad programs outside of engineering, a B- is the basic equivalent to an F. You are usually given the boot if you can't maintain a 3.0)

I'm sorry, but the University of Phoenix is not a respected school. It's known as the school you go to if you can't go anywhere else. This isn't to slam your brother, but it's the truth.

wow just wow. what are the better online schools IMHO?
 

nick1985

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That actually makes me think that UoP might be better than I assumed. A low graduation rate online seems to indicate to me that they are not lowering their requirements to inflate their numbers.

...lol. Or it could mean that the majority of people who sign up for that shit are lazy.
 

alkemyst

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As I mentioned, the guy is an idiot and graduated with a math degree (IIRC) with about a 2.0 GPA in undergrad. He was always trying to backstab people to get ahead. One of the funniest moments was when he sent a report out to our group and I replied with a few questions. He then responded in a condescending tone (with everyone copied) that "he could explain the stats to me if I wanted." I replied with "No thanks, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree and here is where your analysis is wrong." That didn't sit well. :D

Eventually, he tried to get several of us fired, including our boss. It backfired when HR caught him telling lies. That was one example of how the guy was just really not smart -- he would tell you one thing and five minutes later, the complete opposite.

So, he ruined his career there and had to quit. He went to another company and 3 months later, it closed and he was unemployed. He became an IT Manager at another company, and left there. He became an IT Director at another company, and left there. After every job, he'd post negative things online about the companies, complain about management and coworkers, etc. Last I knew, he got a job as a field engineer. He posted how "great" this job was and how there were no "politics." He did that at the last few jobs as well when he started.

So, in summary, since 2006, the guy has had 5 jobs. Who do you think is the problem? Let's be honest here -- he went to UoP because he wasn't going to get in anywhere else. Their only admission standard is the ability to pay. If you pay, you're in. I hope it does help him, because Indy is a small, tight-knit IT community and he has burned many, many bridges in town.

P.S. A few months ago, he applied to my current company. He didn't know that I worked here. It is consistently voted as one of the best places to work in Indy and has world-class benefits and perks. Anyway, I was in charge of filtering candidates. I really considered bringing him in for an interview just to see him crap his pants when I walked in the room. Instead, I just threw his resume away and told my boss not to ever consider him. That's what happens when you burn bridges -- he screwed himself out of an awesome opportunity. If he had been a good coworker and employee at past companies, I would've gotten him the job here.

wow too much drama.
 

Phokus

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wow just wow. what are the better online schools IMHO?

You weren't exactly specific with your other post. Did your brother get his CCIE from studying at UoP? Or was he going for other certificates? Nobody gives a shit about his UoP credentials, they only care about his CCIE.
 

PeshakJang

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I already posted a small sampling.

I donno brother... John Morales and Kerry Miller have been saying a lot of great things about Brown Mackie college and their careers in Criminal justice and the Medical field.

<- Work at home... daytime TV tells me what I need to know.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I donno brother... John Morales and Kerry Miller have been saying a lot of great things about Brown Mackie college and their careers in Criminal justice and the Medical field.

<- Work at home... daytime TV tells me what I need to know.

Hahahaha. My wife's cousin was fooled by Brown Mackie and no one would hire her because of it. She had to go to school elsewhere and actually removed them from her resume.
 

Phokus

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I was kind of interested in Indiana U's online MBA program, do employers respect that degree? I know their on campus MBA is fairly well respected. Figure i take something part time while working.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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I was kind of interested in Indiana U's online MBA program, do employers respect that degree? I know their on campus MBA is fairly well respected. Figure i take something part time while working.

I've thought about doing it as well, or at least a combination of online/campus classes. My work location is literally right next to their Indianapolis campus so it wouldn't be hard for me to take classes at night. To my knowledge, the degree says Indiana University and makes no mention of it being online.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Seriously, you think a UoP MBA equals an Indiana University MBA? Or a degree from Penn State or Duke?

http://harvardextended.blogspot.com/2007/02/whats-value-of-university-of-phoenix.html

Although Phoenix is regionally accredited, it lacks approval from the most prestigious accrediting agency for business schools, the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business.

John J. Fernandes, the association&#8217;s president, said the university had never applied. &#8220;They&#8217;re smart enough to understand their chances of approval would be low,&#8221; Mr. Fernandes said. &#8220;They have a lot of come-and-go faculty. We like institutions where the faculty is stable and can ensure that students are being educated by somebody who knows what they&#8217;re doing.&#8221;
 

Phokus

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Man, even online programs at respected universities are pretty expensive, you'd think they could cut the costs down a bit. I think my company only sponsors up to 10K a year (used to be full sponsorship before the downturn). 120K for duke is outrageous.
 

PeshakJang

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I've thought about doing it as well, or at least a combination of online/campus classes. My work location is literally right next to their Indianapolis campus so it wouldn't be hard for me to take classes at night. To my knowledge, the degree says Indiana University and makes no mention of it being online.

I'm waiting to hear if I got accepted to the resident course for the Spring... Where do you work?
 

imagoon

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I thought (and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't have time to verify at the moment) that UoP's "accreditation" was through a regional accreditation agency that it owned.

Not to argue but to correct at least some of the misinformation:

DeVry / Keller is accredited.

Organizations:

DeVry University is accredited by The Higher Learning Commission (HLC) and is a member of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, www.ncahlc.org. The university's Keller Graduate School of Management is included in this accreditation.

HLC is one of six regional agencies accrediting U.S. colleges and universities at the institutional level; is recognized by both the U.S. Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation; and accredits approximately one-third of U.S. regionally accredited public and private institutions. Accreditation provides assurance to the public and to prospective students that standards of quality have been met.

DeVry University is a member of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation, a national advocate and institutional voice for self-regulation of academic quality through accreditation. CHEA, an association of 3,000 degree-granting colleges and universities, recognizes 60 institutional and programmatic accrediting organizations.
Programmatic Accreditation at an Accredited University

In addition to DeVry's status as an accredited university, some programs are also accredited.

The following programs, at the following locations, are accredited by the Technology Accreditation Commission of ABET, 111 Market Place, Suite 1050, Baltimore, Maryland, 21202, 410/347-7700:

* Baccalaureate Biomedical Engineering Technology (BMET): Columbus, Decatur, Federal Way, Ft. Washington, Irving, Kansas City, Northern California (Fremont), Phoenix, Southern California (Pomona)
* Baccalaureate Computer Engineering Technology (CET): Addison/Tinley Park, Arlington, Chicago, Columbus, Decatur/Alpharetta, Federal Way, Ft. Washington, Houston, Irving, Kansas City, Long Island City, Northern California (Fremont), Orlando, Phoenix, South Florida (Miramar), Southern California (Long Beach, Pomona, Sherman Oaks), Westminster
* Baccalaureate Electronics Engineering Technology (EET): Addison/Tinley Park, Arlington, Chicago, Columbus, Decatur/Alpharetta, Federal Way, Ft. Washington, Houston, Irving, Kansas City, Long Island City, New Jersey (North Brunswick Paramus), Northern California (Fremont, Sacramento), Orlando, Phoenix, South Florida (Miramar), Southern California (Long Beach, Pomona, Sherman Oaks), Westminster
* Associate EET: North Brunswick (program not available for enrollment by new students)

TAC of ABET requires separate review of each engineering technology program at each location, as well as of online programs. The initial evaluation of new programs, as well as programs at new locations, may not be requested until the first class of students has graduated, nor is future accreditation guaranteed. The CET and EET programs at DeVry Calgary are not eligible for this accreditation.

The most recent information on the status of Technology Accreditation Commission of ABET accreditation is available at each location and at www.devry.edu.

The following programs, at the following locations, are accredited by the Commission on Accreditation for Health Informatics and Information Management Education (CAHIIM, www.cahiim.org):

* Associate Health Information Technology (HIT): Online, Chicago, Columbus, Decatur, Ft. Washington, Houston, Irving, North Brunswick, Pomona
* Baccalaureate Technical Management (BSTM) with Health Information Management Specialty: Online

CAHIIM requires separate review of each eligible program at each location. A location may not apply for accreditation review of a given program until the program at that location is fully operational, nor is future accreditation guaranteed. The most recent information on the status of CAHIIM accreditation of a location's HIT program, or of the BSTM program with a technical specialty in Health Information Management, is available from the location and at www.devry.edu.

DeVry University's Business Administration program, when completed with a project management major/concentration, is accredited by the Project Management Institute's Global Accreditation Center, as is the Technical Management program, when completed with a project management technical specialty. More information on this accreditation is available via www.pmi.org.

The Bachelor of Science in Clinical Laboratory Science has received Serious Applicant Status &#8211; an important step toward formal program accreditation - from the National Accrediting Agency for Clinical Laboratory Sciences (NAACLS), 5600 N. River Road, Suite 720, Rosemont, IL 60018, www.naacls.org. This status enables graduates of our CLS program to sit for the ASCP Board of Certification examination. The most recent information on this accreditation is available from the campus and at www.devry.edu.

Note: DeVry University operates as DeVry College of New York in New York, and DeVry Institute of Technology in Calgary, Alberta. The Alpharetta and Tinley Park sites operate as branches of DeVry Decatur and DeVry Addison, respectively. Information on accreditation in Calgary is available via www.devry.edu/calgary.

State levels:

Arizona: DeVry is authorized to operate and grant degrees by the Arizona State Board for Private Postsecondary Education, 1400 West Washington, Phoenix 85007, 602-542-5709.

California: DeVry University is exempt from seeking approval to operate and offer educational programs from the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education in the Department of Consumer Affairs.

Colorado: DeVry is approved to operate by the Colorado Commission on Higher Education, 1290 Broadway, Denver 80203, 303-866-2723.

Florida: DeVry is licensed by the Commission for Independent Education, Florida Department of Education. Additional information regarding this institution may be obtained by contacting the Commission at 325 West Gaines Street, Suite 1414, Tallahassee 32399, toll-free telephone number 888-224-6684.

Georgia: DeVry is authorized to operate by the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission, 2189 Northlake Parkway, Tucker 30084, 770-414-3300.

Illinois: DeVry is authorized to operate and grant degrees by the Illinois Board of Higher Education, 431 East Adams, Springfield 62701, 217-782-3442.

Indiana: DeVry is regulated by the Indiana Commission on Proprietary Education, 302 West Washington Street, Room E201, Indianapolis 46204, 800-227-5695 or 317-232-1320.

Kansas: DeVry is approved by the Kansas Board of Regents, 1000 SW Jackson St., Ste. 520, Topeka, 66612, 785.296.3421.

Kentucky: DeVry University is licensed by the Kentucky Council on Postsecondary Education, 1024 Capital Center Drive, Suite 320, Frankfort 40601, 502-573-1555.

Maryland: DeVry University is approved to operate under authority of the Maryland Higher Education Commission, 16 Francis Street, Annapolis 21401, 410-260-4500.

Michigan: DeVry University is authorized to operate and grant degrees in the state of Michigan under the laws of the Michigan Department of Labor and Economic Growth.

Minnesota: DeVry University is licensed with the Minnesota Office of Higher Education. Licensure is not an endorsement of the institution. Licensure does not mean that credits earned at the institution can be transferred to other institutions or that the quality of the educational programs would meet the standards of every student, educational institution or employer. Minnesota Office of Higher Education, 1450 Energy Park Drive, Suite 350, St. Paul 55108.

Missouri: DeVry is certified to operate by the Missouri Coordinating Board for Higher Education, 3515 Amazonas Drive, Jefferson City 65109, 573-751-2361.

Nevada: DeVry is licensed to operate in the state of Nevada by the Nevada Commission on Postsecondary Education, 3663 E. Sunset Rd., Ste. 202, Las Vegas 89120, 702-486-7330.

New Jersey: DeVry is licensed by the New Jersey Commission on Higher Education, 20 West State Street, P.O. Box 542, Trenton 08625, 609-292-4310.

New York: DeVry has received permission to operate its academic programs in New York from the University of the State of New York Board of Regents/The State Education Department, 89 Washington Avenue, 5 North Mezzanine, Albany 12234, 518-474-2593.

North Carolina: DeVry has been evaluated by the University of North Carolina (910 Raleigh Road, Chapel Hill 27515, 919-962-4559) and is licensed to conduct higher education degree activity. DeVry University is owned and operated by DeVry Inc., One Tower Lane, Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois 60181-4624. The School's guaranty bond for unearned prepaid tuition is on file with the Board of Governors of the University of North Carolina and may be viewed by contacting the Licensing Department at DeVry Inc.

Ohio: DeVry holds Certificate of Authorization by the Ohio Board of Regents, 30 East Broad Street, Columbus 43215, 614-466-6000.

Oklahoma: DeVry University is authorized to offer degree programs by the Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education, 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200, Oklahoma City, 73104, 405-225-9100.

Oregon: DeVry University is a unit of business authorized by the state of Oregon to offer and confer the academic degrees noted here, following a determination that state academic standards will be satisfied under OAR 583-030. Inquiries concerning the standards or school compliance may be directed to the Office of Degree Authorization, 1500 Valley River Drive, Suite 100, Eugene 97401.

Pennsylvania: DeVry is approved and authorized to operate by the Pennsylvania Department of Education, 333 Market Street, Harrisburg 71726, 717-783-9255. In Pennsylvania, instructional hours for all courses scheduled to meet on days falling on recognized holidays will be made up by one or more of the following deemed appropriate by the faculty and approved by the dean of academic affairs: lengthened class sessions, pre-course readings, team projects, group meetings.

Tennessee: DeVry University is authorized by the Tennessee Higher Education Commission, Parkway Towers, Suite 1900, Nashville 37243, 615-741-5293. This authorization must be renewed each year and is based on an evaluation by minimum standards concerning quality of education, ethical business practices, health and safety, and fiscal responsibility.

Tennessee Legislation SB3789/HB3857 requires postsecondary educational institutions to make the following disclosure:

Credits earned at DeVry University may not transfer to another educational institution. Credits earned at another educational institution may not be accepted by DeVry University. You should obtain confirmation that DeVry University will accept any credits you have earned at another educational institution before you execute an enrollment contract or agreement. The ability to transfer credits from DeVry University to another educational institution may be very limited. Your credits may not transfer and you may have to repeat courses previously taken at DeVry University if you enroll in another educational institution. You should never assume that credits will transfer to or from any educational institution. It is highly recommended and you are advised to make certain that you know the transfer of credit policy of DeVry University and of any other educational institution you may in the future want to transfer the credits earned at DeVry University before you execute an enrollment contract or agreement.

Information regarding graduation and employment statistics is available at the Tennessee Higher Education Commission's website at http://state.tn.us/thec/.

Texas: DeVry is authorized to grant degrees by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, Box 12788, Austin 78711, 512-427-6225, 512-427-6168 fax.

Utah: As a regionally accredited institution, DeVry University is exempt from registration requirements according to the Utah Postsecondary Proprietary School Act. State of Utah Department of Commerce, 160 East 300 South, Salt Lake City 84114.

Virginia: DeVry is certified to operate by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, 101 North 14th Street, Richmond 23219, 804-255-2621. Associate degree programs are considered terminal and credits earned in these programs are generally not applicable to other degrees.

More information on applicability of credits earned in associate degree programs to bachelor&#8217;s degree programs is available from DeVry admissions representatives.

Washington: DeVry University is authorized by the Washington Higher Education Coordinating Board and meets requirements and minimum educational standards established for degreegranting institutions under the Degree-Granting Institutions Act. This authorization is subject to periodic review and authorizes DeVry University to offer the following degree programs: Associate of Applied Science in Accounting, Electronics and Computer Technology, Health Information Technology, Network Systems Administration and Web Graphic Design; Bachelor of Science in Biomedical Engineering Technology, Business Administration, Computer Engineering Technology, Computer Information Systems, Electronics Engineering Technology, Game and Simulation Programming, Management, Multimedia Design and Development, Network and Communications Management, and Technical Management. Authorization by the HECB does not carry with it an endorsement by the board of the institution or its programs. Any person desiring information about requirements of the Act or applicability of those requirements to the institution may contact the HECB at P.O. Box 43430, Olympia, WA 98504-3430. In addition, selected programs of study at DeVry University are approved by the Workforce Training and Education Coordinating Board's State Approving Agency (WTECB/SAA) for enrollment of those eligible to receive benefits under Title 38 and Title 10, USC.

Wisconsin: DeVry is authorized by the Wisconsin Educational Authorized Board, 30 West Mifflin Street, Madison 53708, 608-266-1996.

Note: The South Carolina Commission on Higher Education (1333 Main Street, Suite 200, Columbia, South Carolina, 29201, 803/737-2260) licenses DeVry University to enroll students from South Carolina at DeVry's Alpharetta, Chicago, Columbus, Decatur, Ft. Washington, Miramar, Orlando and Phoenix campuses. Licensure indicates only that minimum standards have been met; it is not equal to or synonymous with accreditation by an accrediting agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

In addition, selected programs of study at DeVry University are approved by the Workforce Training and Education Coordinating Board's State Approving Agency (WTECB/SAA) for enrollment of those eligible to receive benefits under Title 38 and Title 10, USC.
 

IndyColtsFan

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No, alkemyst, I saw the work and knew what they had to do. Keep thinking whatever you want. Search the web for the complaints. I really don't care what you believe nor do you really have to care what I believe. If you want to throw away twice the amount of money on a degree people will laugh at, be my guest.

By the way, the guy I mentioned earlier? He is obviously embarrassed by his UoP degree because on his LinkedIN profile, he says "University of Arizona." LOL!

EDIT: http://ilamont.blogspot.com/2009/10...howComment=1278437464225#c6545354820169573262
 
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