Welcome to the coming police state

Passions

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How is this measure a police state???

It is helping to catch criminals. Do you have anything to hide???? If not, they why worry.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Passions
How is this measure a police state???

It is helping to catch criminals. Do you have anything to hide???? If not, they why worry.

Whatever, 'mein fuhrer'
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Passions
How is this measure a police state???

It is helping to catch criminals. Do you have anything to hide???? If not, they why worry.

LOL! That's some good stuff. The best part is how you say it like you mean it. Completely believable, man!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Passions
How is this measure a police state???

It is helping to catch criminals. Do you have anything to hide???? If not, they why worry.
Why stop at cars? How about they check all the homes in the vicinity too?
 

Passions

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EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!
 

gistech1978

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Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!

yeah because that only happens in the SU, China and Cuba.
never in the United States, right?

I dont even know why people waste time responding to your obvious trolling.
this will be my last though.
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!

yeah because that only happens in the SU, China and Cuba.
never in the United States, right?

I dont even know why people waste time responding to your obvious trolling.
this will be my last though.

FOR THE LAST TIME...I am not trolling. These are my beliefs, accept it or reject it. But do not say that I am being sarcastic, or that I am an undercover liberal. I am who I am. I only post the Truth.

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.
 

alchemize

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Well that was quite an alarmist post, how cute :) Challenging Dave for his throne?

Police can search a parked car for drugs, guns or other evidence of a crime while arresting a driver or passengers nearby, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.

Kinda falls into the "um, duh" category. This isn't a random, unwarranted search. This is searching someone's property who has been placed under arrest (you can't be just placed under arrest "cause the cop feels like it"), and was just in the car. Watch COPS, this is standard procedure for departments :)
 

beyoku

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LOL man...............dude REALLY how old are you if you dont mind me asking?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: beyoku
LOL man...............dude REALLY how old are you if you dont mind me asking?

Um, I think you are asking Passions, but just in case, I'm 33. Dude.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!

Yeah it's almost like they don't trust the governement of the Authorities with too much power!
 

arsbanned

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While I LOATHE the idea of being in concert with someone arrogant enough to say things like 'THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE" and "FREE YOUR MIND" I have to say I'm not opposed to cops searching cars in the described scenario.
 
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I don't see this as a sinister expansion of the authority of The Man. It is really, IMO, more of a clarification on the parameters of the generalized exception of traffic stops from the requirement for a search warrant. I can't say as a criminal defense attorney that I like it, but I don't see it as particularly distressing either. The problem will be in implementation, and the courts will have to settle the parameters of what is permissible under the general principles of this case. These kinds of cases are what keep Criminal Procedure professors employed . . .
 

myusername

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It would be nice to see the verbage. As much as I dislike abusive cops, I have to agree that it makes sense as described. On the other hand, I would like to know that the law applies only to a traffic stop, which is how it is described. For example, it would be disconcerting to think that my arrest under any circumstance or location would allow the search of my vehicle, regardless of its location or temporal proximity to the cause of my arrest. It would be even more disconcerting to find the police searching my vehicle because they had just arrested someone who had been a passenger in my vehicle at any given time in the past.

And no, unless you happen to like huffing carb cleaner, there's nothing even remotely contraband in my vehicle. As it is *my* vehicle, however, I take a dim view of anyone who thinks they have a right to even get their greasy hands on the paint, much less search it.
 

BugsBunny1078

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Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!
We still have a right to privacy even if we have nothing to hide. Maybe I have some gay porn in the glove box I don't want the officers to see. maybe I have love letters. Maybe I have a gun. Whatever it is its my business and I dont need some officer looking at it.
 

NightCrawler

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Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!


I'm no liberal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some Republicans are really authoritarian's in disguise. It's this need to run other people lives just like liberals who think they know better then an individual.

They often lie in their attempt to gain more power and control. Just like my state where they said that if you get into an accident they could give you a ticket if you were not wearing a seatbelt. They said that is as far as they were going to take the seatbelt law but just a year later they passed a stronger law now making it illegal for anybody to drive without a seatbelt and making it a $75 fine.

They said their lie was justified because they were trying to save lives !!!!!!!!!
 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!


I'm no liberal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some Republicans are really authoritarian's in disguise. It's this need to run other people lives just like liberals who think they know better then an individual.

They often lie in their attempt to gain more power and control. Just like my state where they said that if you get into an accident they could give you a ticket if you were not wearing a seatbelt. They said that is as far as they were going to take the seatbelt law but just a year later they passed a stronger law now making it illegal for anybody to drive without a seatbelt and making it a $75 fine.

They said their lie was justified because they were trying to save lives !!!!!!!!!

If you question our government policies or the Bush Administration at this critical juncture, you are considered a liberal. Just Praise Allah that you aren't deemed an enemy combatant.

Zephyr
 

Mean MrMustard

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Originally posted by: Passions
... I am who I am. I only post the Truth.

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

Well there you have it, folks!

Why bother arguing when the 'Truth' has said?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Passions
EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL PILL AND RELAX!!!!

mmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Did you forget which country you lived in? THE US OF A! OKAY?? Not Soviet Union. Not China. Not Cuba. THE USA. Cops are not going to raid your home and take away all your possessions. Stop the LSD paranoia. It's just another measure to catch terrorists. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry over.

Amazing, absolutely frikken amazing. Liberals getting all fired up over NOTHING!

I'm sure this was the exact words of the German General Public as they fell under the brainwashing spell of Adolph and his minions a Century ago. Way to go
 

Wheezer

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Well let's put this in perspective shall we?

#1 The likelyhood of you pulling into your local Staples B&M to get the sweet deal on the 160GB Maxotor and a cop arresting someone 10 spaces away and then turning thier attention on you is slim to none....why? Because the cops are to busy arresting a criminal to go sweeping through the ENTIRE parking lot just to find last night's left over roach in your car. Combine that with the fact that most cops would prefer to stay in thier car rather than go trolling through a parking lot looking for evidence I think your pretty safe.

#2 Cops have this right anyway...it's called PROBABLE CAUSE in which case they can search your vehicle for any reason they wish. They can search if for any reason already if they pull you over.

I really think you guys are getting your panties in a bunch over nothing...we are a FAR ways away from an SS Force strolling down main street USA and randomly arresting people....it's not like we are living in Iraq people.
 

Vadatajs

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4th ammendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized.

Pretty clear to me. Searching a vehicle just because a person gets out is not allowable.
 

DanceMan

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
#2 Cops have this right anyway...it's called PROBABLE CAUSE in which case they can search your vehicle for any reason they wish. They can search if for any reason already if they pull you over.
Your statement is contradictory. They can't search for any reason, there must be a probable cause. And it's also not true that everytime you are pulled over, they can search your car. There still must have probable cause, and it must be related to the reason you were pulled over. For example, if you get pulled over for a speeding ticket, they don't start a full-scale drug search. Now, they might use a drug dog, and attempt to determine that from an outside examination, but otherwise you will have to give permission for them to do the search. You can refuse and they can decide to or not, but then they might violate your rights, which opens them up for a lawsuit or case dismissal. There are other factors involved, like things that are in 'plain view' of the officer that you have to take into account, but they can not search at will.

Also, another poster mentioned arrest before they can search your car. You should know that it's possible that you can be taken into custody without formal arrest or even charged with a crime, and that the cops do not have to tell you the charge at the time you are taken into custody or even read your Miranda rights at that time (yep, TV is not like real life!) They can wait until you're booked to do all of that. Sometimes, they can push it, and charge you with something like loitering, trespassing, resisting arrest, etc. so they can search you, but then when you get to the station, these charges are suddenly 'dropped'. You can fight these, but most people won't bother.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Passions
How is this measure a police state???

It is helping to catch criminals. Do you have anything to hide???? If not, they why worry.

Screw the article. Couldn't read it after accidentally seeing this crap. This is one of the most tossed around phrases when it comes to privacy. It's also one of the most non-sensical.