Weird Al's Parents...found dead. :(

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Eli

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Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Geeze, that's terrible...

Maybe he'll parody a song about this...(in poor taste, I know...);)
LOL..

:(

That's really sad...... Poor guy. He's cool.
 

rh71

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What exactly does CO do to the human body to make it unconscious and expire ?
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: rh71
What exactly does CO do to the human body to make it unconscious and expire ?
It displaces oxygen? :p
 

Ichinisan

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: rh71
What exactly does CO do to the human body to make it unconscious and expire ?
It displaces oxygen? :p

No. CO neutralizes hemogloben. Hemogloben normally transfers oxygen to the blood cells. This takes place in millions of tiny 'Aveoli' within your lungs. When hemogloben attaches to a CO molecule, it becomes fused and cannot release it. It's only a matter of time before there is not enough hemogloblen to keep the blood oxygenated. Look it up :)

Forgive me if there are spelling errors...I'm trying to remember this stuff from 7th grade.
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: Ichinisan
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: rh71
What exactly does CO do to the human body to make it unconscious and expire ?
It displaces oxygen? :p

No.
Yeah, the much-more proliferous CO2 from exhaust emissions (The typical way to die from CO poisoning and common suicide method) can do that ;) I'm saying that engine exhaust emits both CO and CO2. CO is deadly but CO2 isn't. If CO were deadly because it was simply displacing oxygen, then it would be as harmless as CO2.
CO neutralizes hemogloben. Hemogloben normally transfers oxygen to the blood cells. This takes place in millions of tiny 'Aveoli' within your lungs. When hemogloben attaches to a CO molecule, it becomes fused and cannot release it. It's only a matter of time before there is not enough hemogloblen to keep the blood oxygenated. Look it up :)

Forgive me if there are spelling errors...I'm trying to remember this stuff from 7th grade.
Just to clear it up for those reading, hemogloben molecules are part of the blood cell, not part of the "Aveoli" (Sounded too much like you were saying that). So basically CO neutralizes the blood's ability to carry oxygen and not the "Aveoli's" ability to transfer it. Oxygen is bound to hemogloben by a chemical reaction and released from it by another which occurs in the target cells.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: rh71
What exactly does CO do to the human body to make it unconscious and expire ?
It displaces oxygen? :p

No.
Yeah, the much-more proliferous CO2 from exhaust emissions (The typical way to die from CO poisoning) can do that ;)
CO neutralizes hemogloben. Hemogloben normally transfers oxygen to the blood cells. This takes place in millions of tiny 'Aveoli' within your lungs. When hemogloben attaches to a CO molecule, it becomes fused and cannot release it. It's only a matter of time before there is not enough hemogloblen to keep the blood oxygenated. Look it up :)

Forgive me if there are spelling errors...I'm trying to remember this stuff from 7th grade.
Just to clear it up for those reading, hemogloben molecules are part of the blood cell, not part of the "Aveoli" (Sounded too much like you were saying that). So basically it neutralizes the blood's ability to carry oxygen and not the "Aveoli's" ability to transfer it. Oxygen is bound to it by a chemical reaction and released from it by another which occurs in the target cells.
Ahh. I didn't know that. Very interesting, and definately much more severe than I was rendering it. :Q

So any hemoglobin that has a CO molecule attach to it is basically dead, and your body must dispose of and replace it? Since that's a pretty lengthy process in the scheme of things, that must be why one is so prone to brain damage, if you're exposed to enough CO to disable enough hemoglobin to severely deprive your brain of oxygen, but not completely kill you?

edited.. need more coffee.. heh
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: rh71
What exactly does CO do to the human body to make it unconscious and expire ?
It displaces oxygen? :p

No.
Yeah, the much-more proliferous CO2 from exhaust emissions (The typical way to die from CO poisoning) can do that ;)
CO neutralizes hemogloben. Hemogloben normally transfers oxygen to the blood cells. This takes place in millions of tiny 'Aveoli' within your lungs. When hemogloben attaches to a CO molecule, it becomes fused and cannot release it. It's only a matter of time before there is not enough hemogloblen to keep the blood oxygenated. Look it up :)

Forgive me if there are spelling errors...I'm trying to remember this stuff from 7th grade.
Just to clear it up for those reading, hemogloben molecules are part of the blood cell, not part of the "Aveoli" (Sounded too much like you were saying that). So basically it neutralizes the blood's ability to carry oxygen and not the "Aveoli's" ability to transfer it. Oxygen is bound to it by a chemical reaction and released from it by another which occurs in the target cells.
Ahh. I didn't know that. Very interesting, and definately much more severe than I was rendering it. :Q

So any hemoglobin that has a CO2 molecule attach to it is basically dead, and your body must dispose of and replace it? Since that's a pretty lengthy process in the scheme of things, that must be why one is so prone to brain damage, if you're exposed to enough CO2 to disable enough hemoglobin to severely deprive your brain of oxygen, but not completely kill you?

What about CO? Same effect?
No. I only mentioned CO2 but I was talking about CO, so yes, it has that effect but CO2 does not ;) CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) only displaces oxygen when breathed and will only kill you in an oxygen-depleted environment (Regular old suffocation). CO2 (Carbon Monoxide) is the only one which "poisons" you by neutralizing your blood's ability to carry oxygen. So your post really referrs to CO and not CO2 :) I'll clear up mine by explicitly mentioning CO :)

Basically, I was saying that engine exhaust emits both CO and CO2. The CO is deadly but CO2 isn't. If CO were deadly because it was simply displacing oxygen, then it would be as harmless as CO2.
 

kyparrish

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but i thought that he was living in his parents cellar, downloading pictures of sarah michelle gellar?
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: kyparrish
but i thought that he was living in his parents cellar, downloading pictures of sarah michelle gellar?

No, he was making fun of those who do to promote his own 1337-ness in "It's all about the Pentiums" ;)
 
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so what did they do to pipe in enough CO2 into their house? get 5 or 6 cars running outside and hose in the fumes?

Well now he'll have a reason to sample the theme song from M*A*S*H. It's called "Suicide is Painless"
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
so what did they do to pipe in enough CO into their house? get 5 or 6 cars running outside and hose in the fumes?

Well now he'll have a reason to sample the theme song from M*A*S*H. It's called "Suicide is Painless"

One car in a closed garage will do it. Accidentally happens to mechanics with improper ventilation all the time. If you fall asleep in your car in a parking lot with the engine running and the windows up you may also risk CO poisoning. Of course. While the automobile incidents are common, THAT is most commonly suicide. Barring deliberate suicide, multi-death CO accidents are usually a home gas leak or improperly ventilated flame where the exhausts overwhelm everyone while they sleep as is the case for Al's parents (One was likely asleep, the other collapsed in the bathroom). These are the types of accidents are what increasingly more-common in-home CO dectectors help prevent (As important as a having a smoke alarm in a home with gas service).