weight loss supplements

TechBoyJK

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Hi Guys,

Growing up I was a mega athlete. By the age of 15, I was one of the highest ranked inline speed skaters in the nation, in my age group. In highschool I played football, track, cross country, etc. By 17, I could confidently run a marathon if not longer. For a 5'9 white kid, I ran a 4.9 40 yard dash. I was in great shape and didn't have hardly any fat on my body. Body fat tests had me right around 3%-4% body fat. I was too hard on myself. I started getting injured more often, eventually throwing out my back. It wasn't bad, but it was enough to make me stop doing sports for a year. Still wanting to have fun, I started partying alot, etc.

I started to fall out of shape more and more, to where by time I was 22, I was 30 pounds heavier than I was when I was 19, and it was all fat. I felt weaker then, barely ran ever, but was pudgy to a point I felt really uncomfortable in my skin. I started to excercise again, but ended up getting an inguinal hernia, which sat me down for a year. Again, I fell into being lazy, etc. Over and over, I was kept from really asserting myself to get physical. I had no interest in any sports, was depressed enough as it is, etc.

So here I am, 29 years old. Almost 30. For most of my 28th year, and this half of my 29th year, while I lived at a loft, they had a gym, and I would do a small amount of cardio. I did start to get back in better shape, I lost about 10 pounds, felt healthier, etc.

Since I moved out of the loft, I went about 2 months not working out. I joined a gym about a month ago, and have been hitting it about 4-5 times a week. I'm taking it easy on the weights. I do mostly lighter weight for alot of reps. I'm not trying to strength train yet. I've been running about 2-4 miles each night, doing alot of stretching, and spending about 20 minutes in a sauna each night.

I've lost about 8 pounds, and people are starting to recognize that I look alot healthier. It's alot easier now for me to run those miles, which is I'm pushing towards 4 miles each night.

I'm really starting to get excited about this. I'm seeing major results, and I've already crossed paths with two ladies that I've known for a while, but hadn't seen me in like 2 years, and I got "wow! you look great" from them.

My question is, besides diet and excercise, what else can I do to stimulate weight loss? I've read good and bad things about Hydroxycut, that it does work, just nothing dramatic, but any help will be nice. Someone also said a body wrap would help tighten the loose skin around my waist as I lose weight, not really making me lose weight but accelerating the tighting of the skin.

I don't have a HUGE budget for supplements right now, but if there is some kind of effective weight loss accelerator out there that is safe and will help out, even if just a little bit, I'm willing to add it to my routine. Any ideas?
 
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Supplements are just that - supplemental. They are not necessary or even beneficial in the majority of cases. Hydroxycut recently got slammed with causing severe liver damage and liver failure. They revamped their formula, but do you really want to trust a company that has that little knowledge about their product and its effects on the human body?

Instead of putting money and effort into supplements, perhaps it would be more beneficial to put that energy into really honing your diet and training program in. Training will give you results no matter what. It's the diet part that's the hardest.

Overall, a clean diet below your caloric maintenance will promote overall health, fitness, and weight loss. It's the most important tool. If you have to use some supplements, the following are good and have evidence in research - fish oil, whey protein (after a workout), creatine monohydrate, and fiber supplements. Whey is probably the most applicable here since its consumption directly after a workout hinders degradation of lean muscle mass. I hope your process goes smoothly. I just hope you don't get stuck on supplements as the cure-all. They're not very well regulated so why risk your overall health for a few pounds?
 

TechBoyJK

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Hi SC,

I should have added that I am already using Creatine, Whey Protein, Fish Oil, a multi vitamin, and fiber supplements. =)

I was really just curious if there is something that helps increase metabolism, etc.. I don't want to depend on it, but if it will help at all, why not?
 

conorvansmack

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You sound like you're making progress. Set some goals that don't involve appearance (run 3 miles under a certain time, do "x" reps of "y" exercise at "z" pounds).

Muscles help with metabolism and typically make your skin look "tighter." Consider adding strength training so you actually have a reason to take creatine and whey. Check out the Fat Loss Sticky for help. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=162171
 

TechBoyJK

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Anyways. I can't do intense weight training because I recently had surgery to remove a cyst on my tailbone, and my doctor said no heavy lifting.. But apparently its ok to run? I'm jsut going by what he said.

So I'm planning on turning up a strength training routine in about 4-6 weeks. In the meantine, I was hoping to slim down as much as possible.I drink weight to avoid burning lean muscle, but not alot.

The only area where I'm worried about loose skin is my waist. Everywhere else is fine.
 
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Anyways. I can't do intense weight training because I recently had surgery to remove a cyst on my tailbone, and my doctor said no heavy lifting.. But apparently its ok to run? I'm jsut going by what he said.

So I'm planning on turning up a strength training routine in about 4-6 weeks. In the meantine, I was hoping to slim down as much as possible.I drink weight to avoid burning lean muscle, but not alot.

The only area where I'm worried about loose skin is my waist. Everywhere else is fine.

The lack of resistance program will make you lose some muscle no matter what. Loose skin depends on how old your are, genetics, how overweight you are, etc. If you lose the weight more slowly, it's more likely to shrink as you get smaller. However, if you lose 3+ pounds a week, you're most likely gonna have skin left over. That's why you shouldn't be in such a rush to lose weight. You need to make the lifestyle changes gradual. It took you years to get fat. Your body adapted to the situation. Now it has to slowly adapt to your new body. Lose 1-1.5 pounds per week and you'll probably be fine.
 

yhelothar

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Diet pills/hydroxycut = caffeine

Hydroxycut also has a norepinephrine agonist, yohimbine. You can buy that too as a supplement. It makes you horny though.
 
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Diet pills/hydroxycut = caffeine

Hydroxycut also has a norepinephrine agonist, yohimbine. You can buy that too as a supplement. It makes you horny though.

Yeah, but inducing a sympathetic drive in the resting body isn't exactly healthy sounding to me. I know you didn't say one way or another, but as you get in better shape, your body decreases sympathetic drive. Increased sympathetic activity is usually a negative aspect when it comes to rest and digestion.
 

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I ran into a chemistry geek who used to be fat and lost it. I know a lot about fat loss but he told me some interesting things. He was obsessed with biochem and I've had some very interesting conversations with him.

2 supplements I would recommend. Chromium Piconlinate and L-Carnetine. (sp?)

The chromium helps your body regulate insulin, and increases blood flow. I've been taking this for a while. My friend told me Twinlab owns the patent on this and I coincidentally always bought their brand, 500mcg. I used to take it 3 times a day. I have been up to taking 2 thrice a day and been ok.

I am told the L-Carnetine is the only amino acid that part of the fat-breakdown chain, and will get things rolling. I always thought that you can get amino acids from whole protein, but just taking the one supplement increases the effectiveness, as some amino acids compete with each other for absorption. I believe this is best taken on an empty stomach.

Sorry my technical details aren't the best here but perhaps SC can weigh in.

My only other personal thing I picked up from Ann Louise Gittleman, "no diet without detox." Your fat stores toxins so losing fat increases the toxic load on the body so you want to be eating good, clean food while you lose weight. To this end, I support the detox organs, mainly the liver, by taking a Sylimarin (Milk Thistle) supplement which is amazing for the liver, helps regenerate it substantially. Your liver produces bile which emulsifies the fat so you want that engine to run smoothly. So you have to avoid alcohol, sugar, caffiene, and nicotine if you really want to love your liver. This is more preference, the chromium and carnetine are the big 2.

So what I am saying is avoid caffeine. It is a drug, and it can only be broken down by your liver. It artificially increases your cortisol levels and that will make you more fat if your stress load is high. Bodybuilders like the speed rush (increases metabolism a bit) from say, green tea, but you can go without it. I used to be a caffeine junkie and I feel so much better without it. Just exercise more.
 
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To elaborate on Titan's post:

Carnitine is a polypeptide utilized to create the enzyme carnitine acyl transferase (CAT), which allows fatty acids to be transported from the cytosol (cell fluid) into the mitochondria (organelle responsible for oxidative phosphorylation). It's synthesized in the body from lysine and methionine so I'd rather just supplement with whey and let my body control the amount of CAT it produces. Messing with genetics through supplements like this is ehhh. It may help with fatty acid transport, but that may have its disadvantages. That doesn't mean that you use more fat stores - it simply means that your body is better able to transport free fatty acids for metabolism. Unless the cell actually requires that greater energy, it won't really utilize all CAT enzymes. That only changes the maximum turnover velocity of the enzyme, not average turnover velocity.
 

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Once diet and training are in check, Ephedra + Caffeine can work well. Just Google it or "ECA stack". It's been rehashed ad nauseam both in this forum and many other places online.

If you have issues with anxiety or are caffeine/stimulant sensitive, be careful. As with all drugs these are not without side effects.
 
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Once diet and training are in check, Ephedra + Caffeine can work well. Just Google it or "ECA stack". It's been rehashed ad nauseam both in this forum and many other places online.

If you have issues with anxiety or are caffeine/stimulant sensitive, be careful. As with all drugs these are not without side effects.

Or if you have high blood pressure or manic-depressive (bipolar) disorder.
 

Jinru

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Once diet and training are in check, Ephedra + Caffeine can work well. Just Google it or "ECA stack". It's been rehashed ad nauseam both in this forum and many other places online.

If you have issues with anxiety or are caffeine/stimulant sensitive, be careful. As with all drugs these are not without side effects.

I've been on a EC stack without the A. Really suppressed hunger and kept my energy levels up during workouts.

info link to EC
http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm