Weekend spelunking trip w/ my Dad

NuclearNed

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The property that came with my new house includes at least one small cave. Ever since my 69-year-old Dad learned about it, he's been dying to explore it. So early Saturday morning he called and asked if I had the time; I did, so he came over and we spent the next 3 hours crawling through the darkness.

The Civil War era mystery:
One thing we had both wanted to find were a couple of engraved signatures from the Civil War era. The previous owner of the house had told me they were in the cave and roughly described where to find them. We did, and now are very curious about the people who left them. One of them is dated March 17, 1860 and the other is dated March 18, 1860. There are at least 2 names engraved, maybe 3. The handwriting is fairly ornate, especially considering that they were scratched into rock with something sharp. I'm wondering if there are any internet resources that might help find out who these people were? The pictures I took aren't great, but maybe someone here can help?

Bones?
Probably not, but look at the pictures for yourself. The final room of the cave is narrow and extremely tall - in some places I couldn't see the roof. In general, the rocks in this room are a dark gray, but all over the place sticking out of the rocks are other strangely shaped rocks that are a distinctive orange-brown color. We're obviously not experts, but Dad and I both thought they looked exactly like bones in shape, size, and positioning. I spent a lot of my younger life doing a whole lot of spelunking, and I've never seen anything like these in a cave. I seriously doubt they are anything other than rocks, but I'm convinced enough that I might invite someone from the local university to come take a look at them. Just a few miles from here in the last few years there was a major archaeological find of ice-age bones, so who knows?

Thanks to Turin39789 for the better link to my pics:

Cave Pics
 

Squisher

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That is so cool. I can't imagine crawling into that thing with 1860 technology.


btw-I think I saw a vagina in there somewhere. No? I guess I've been married too long.

 

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If you're going to invite an archeologist to look at it, think ahead a bit first. If it turns out to be a big find, do you want them crawling all over your land and digging and making a mess?

But anyway, sweet find. I bet that was exciting.
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Fraggable
If you're going to invite an archeologist to look at it, think ahead a bit first. If it turns out to be a big find, do you want them crawling all over your land and digging and making a mess?

But anyway, sweet find. I bet that was exciting.

I've thought about that - I want to keep the cave in a natural state, so I would allow people from the university to look but not touch, even if it is a big find (assuming that they are something other than just ordinary rocks).
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Winchester
Sounds like fun.

It was a bunch of fun. My Dad has been in declining health for the past 7 years. This past May he had heart surgery, and now it's like he is his young self again. I'm really enjoying the time I'm getting to spend with him.
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: cthulhu
Cool find. Sounds like you and your dad had a good time. Nice pics.

Thanks. I was pleasantly surprised about how the new camera performed. It is a Canon PowerShot G7, and I really didn't expect much. The pics mostly turned out pretty good anyway.
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: Squisher
That is so cool. I can't imagine crawling into that thing with 1860 technology.


btw-I think I saw a vagina in there somewhere. No? I guess I've been married too long.

There is a sideboob too :(

<----- married
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Were there a lot of creepy crawly things? :Q

Lots of crickets. Lots of some sort of fly that oddly enough didn't fly, but crawled all over the walls. One millipede. One bat that my dad literally ran into.

And fairly fresh poo from something large (coyote was our guess)
 

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: Fraggable
If you're going to invite an archeologist to look at it, think ahead a bit first. If it turns out to be a big find, do you want them crawling all over your land and digging and making a mess?

But anyway, sweet find. I bet that was exciting.

I've thought about that - I want to keep the cave in a natural state, so I would allow people from the university to look but not touch, even if it is a big find (assuming that they are something other than just ordinary rocks).

You could always charge them $10 each to come look
 

Canai

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Those do look like bones. What kind of rock are they in, limestone? Any smaller fragments we could get some close up pics of?
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Canai
Those do look like bones. What kind of rock are they in?

Limestone. A dead giveaway would be if we found something readily identifiable like a skull or a tooth.

I'm glad that someone else agrees that they look like bones, and I'm not just hallucinating.
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Canai
Those do look like bones. What kind of rock are they in, limestone? Any smaller fragments we could get some close up pics of?

You edited your post with a new question...

I might be back in the cave Wednesday with a buddy of mine. I'll take the camera and see if I can get some better pics.
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: Canai
Those do look like bones. What kind of rock are they in, limestone? Any smaller fragments we could get some close up pics of?

You edited your post with a new question...

I might be back in the cave Wednesday with a buddy of mine. I'll take the camera and see if I can get some better pics.

Haha yeah sorry about that... I had a momentary brain fart and forgot most of the caves are made of limestone :)

But yeah they do look like bones. Could you tell if the rock around them had been eroded?
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: Canai
Those do look like bones. What kind of rock are they in, limestone? Any smaller fragments we could get some close up pics of?

You edited your post with a new question...

I might be back in the cave Wednesday with a buddy of mine. I'll take the camera and see if I can get some better pics.

Haha yeah sorry about that... I had a momentary brain fart and forgot most of the caves are made of limestone :)

But yeah they do look like bones. Could you tell if the rock around them had been eroded?

Yes - the rock around them had been eroded. This section of the cave was the deepest we found, and there were more travertine formations here than anywhere else we saw.
 

KB

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Thats really cool. I am a member of the Baltimore grotto of the National Speleological Society, a group of people who love to explore caves and survey them. The good news for you is that if there is one cave on your land, there is a good chance there are 2 - 3 more you haven't yet found. Periodically walk the land after a good rainstorm and see if new holes open. Have you found any leads to new areas of cave you couldn't explore? Since you can't see the ceiling in some places there could actually be new branches in the cave up there.

I don't think they are bones. Every cave has some interesting formations that are hard to find elsewhere. I am no expert, but they looked like normal running limestone formation to me.
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: KB
Thats really cool. I am a member of the Baltimore grotto of the National Speleological Society, a group of people who love to explore caves and survey them. The good news for you is that if there is one cave on your land, there is a good chance there are 2 - 3 more you haven't yet found. Periodically walk the land after a good rainstorm and see if new holes open. Have you found any leads to new areas of cave you couldn't explore? Since you can't see the ceiling in some places there could actually be new branches in the cave up there.

I don't think they are bones. Every cave has some interesting formations that are hard to find elsewhere. I am no expert, but they looked like normal running limestone formation to me.

I'm almost 100% sure there is another cave on my property. Closer to my house is a large outcrop of exposed limestone with a small but deep-looking depression at the bottom (i.e. a small sinkhole). It is filled with leaves and debris, and I can't feel cool air, but I'm betting that if I cleared it out it would be another entrance. I'm sure ATOT will scold me for doing something stupidly dangerous, but I placed my hands on boulders surrounding the sinkhole and did a dip - lowering myself in while my weight was supported by my arms. I sank into the leaves up to my knees before I decided I was being a dumbass and got myself out. It's exciting to think I might have an unexplored cave on my hands. I'm definitely going to clear it out in the near future.

As for the cave we explored Saturday, it is a well-explored cave. It might have undiscovered passageways, but I really doubt it. It's still fun, though.
 

foghorn67

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That is really awesome. Do you have kids yourself? If so, are they excited about it?
 

NuclearNed

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Originally posted by: Unheard
Are you still in East, TN towards Oakridge?

Yes - east TN, but further east in a small town named Unicoi. It's just outside Johnson City.