wearing a Border Patrol hat is offensive

[OutHouse]

Rocky Mountain News

This is total BS. a hat from a US law enforement agency is offensive??? having a sign on your truck that says "English speaking American" is offensive?? WTF is this country coming too? I find the mexican businesses with the garish 2 foot signs in spanish on their store windows offensive and i demand they take them down. :| :| :|

..."Arapahoe County has demanded that Gray, who works in the road and bridge department, stop wearing a ball cap with "U.S. Border Patrol" stitched on the front at work and completely cover a sign on the trailer attached to his pickup that advertises a lawn care business he runs on the side.

A letter from Gray's supervisor dated Nov. 10 said donning the hat was "reprehensible and discriminatory" against Hispanic co-workers. So was the sign, which, over the background of the U.S. flag, lists Gray's phone number and promotes work performed "by an English-speaking American."
Gray was ordered not to wear the hat at work and to cover the sign when parking at the workplace.

He offered a reasonable compromise, in our view. Gray no longer wears the hat. And he covered part of the sign, leaving the image of the flag and the phrase "English-speaking American" visible. And yet, the county has not backed down from its earlier termination threats. So Gray is also mulling a lawsuit.

There's no reason to fight this battle in court. The county is justified in enforcing a dress code - though the letter failed to cite that reasoning. And theatening to fire Gray for displaying the American flag? Please.

It's best for the two parties, and the public at large, if the county accepts Gray's offer and moves on."

 

[alchemize]

I used to live there Very white bread, politcally correct suburb. Also created the Columbine shooters.

But - the guy works for the county. They can enforce whatever dress code they desire.

 

[smack Down]

stitched on the front at work and completely cover a sign on the trailer attached to his pickup that advertises a lawn care business he runs on the side.

How much you want to bet he hires mexicans to do the lawn work.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I used to live there Very white bread, politcally correct suburb. Also created the Columbine shooters.

But - the guy works for the county. They can enforce whatever dress code they desire.

i agree with that, however to be reprimanded with words like reprehensible and discriminatory" against Hispanic co-workers is just plain loony.

 

[1EZduzit]

He offered a reasonable compromise, in our view. Gray no longer wears the hat. And he covered part of the sign, leaving the image of the flag and the phrase "English-speaking American" visible. And yet, the county has not backed down from its earlier termination threats. So Gray is also mulling a lawsuit.

I guess it's offensive to advertise that your an English speaking American??

 

[Starbuck1975]

How much you want to bet he hires mexicans to do the lawn work.

There is no evidence of this from the story...if anything, I suspect that his lawn business is suffering due to migrant workers who will do the work cheaper, hence the source of his making a political statement.

Our society's handling of the Spanish speaking immigrant situation confuses me...entire segments of certain cities are catering to Spanish speaking and in some cases illegal immigrants, which provides them with no incentive to learn English or integrate into our society. What really blows my mind is that in many of these communities, we have kids born in this country who are raised speaking Spanish, sometimes extending even beyond 1st generation.

But in the realm of political correctness, it is seemingly taboo or worse, "racist," to criticize this dynamic...there are plenty of other cultures who immigrated to American and managed to integrate into our society, and learn English...but then again, previous waves of immigrants seemed to place a certain level of value and prestige on becoming American.

 

[3chordcharlie]

This issue came up in anther thread (though for a federal employee), and as far as I can tell the county can enforce having him not wear the hat (which is prety blatantly there to offend some of his co-worers), but they can't make him cover any part of his car.

 

[Jaskalas]

It offends cheap Republican labor and future Democratic voters. You cannot mess with the government?s handout recipients, it?s bad for their wealth redistribution business.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

How much you want to bet he hires mexicans to do the lawn work.

There is no evidence of this from the story...if anything, I suspect that his lawn business is suffering due to migrant workers who will do the work cheaper, hence the source of his making a political statement.

Our society's handling of the Spanish speaking immigrant situation confuses me...entire segments of certain cities are catering to Spanish speaking and in some cases illegal immigrants, which provides them with no incentive to learn English or integrate into our society. What really blows my mind is that in many of these communities, we have kids born in this country who are raised speaking Spanish, sometimes extending even beyond 1st generation.

But in the realm of political correctness, it is seemingly taboo or worse, "racist," to criticize this dynamic...there are plenty of other cultures who immigrated to American and managed to integrate into our society, and learn English...but then again, previous waves of immigrants seemed to place a certain level of value and prestige on becoming American.

It is a free country they can live where every they please and use what ever language they wish.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It is a free country they can live where every they please and use what ever language they wish.

I fully understand this...however, it is a bit of a stretch that our government and society feels the need to make special accomodations for one demographic of immigrants...other cultures have immigrated to this country and enjoyed the freedoms it provides while also integrating into the melting pot. Other cultures have maintained their heritage and language while also learning english, which is the predominant language of our country.

A society that splinters into cultural demographics that do not mingle or have a shared destiny or common understanding is not a healthy dynamic.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Citrix
Rocky Mountain News

This is total BS. a hat from a US law enforement agency is offensive??? having a sign on your truck that says "English speaking American" is offensive?? WTF is this country coming too? I find the mexican businesses with the garish 2 foot signs in spanish on their store windows offensive and i demand they take them down. :| :| :|

..."Arapahoe County has demanded that Gray, who works in the road and bridge department, stop wearing a ball cap with "U.S. Border Patrol" stitched on the front at work and completely cover a sign on the trailer attached to his pickup that advertises a lawn care business he runs on the side.

A letter from Gray's supervisor dated Nov. 10 said donning the hat was "reprehensible and discriminatory" against Hispanic co-workers. So was the sign, which, over the background of the U.S. flag, lists Gray's phone number and promotes work performed "by an English-speaking American."
Gray was ordered not to wear the hat at work and to cover the sign when parking at the workplace.

He offered a reasonable compromise, in our view. Gray no longer wears the hat. And he covered part of the sign, leaving the image of the flag and the phrase "English-speaking American" visible. And yet, the county has not backed down from its earlier termination threats. So Gray is also mulling a lawsuit.

There's no reason to fight this battle in court. The county is justified in enforcing a dress code - though the letter failed to cite that reasoning. And theatening to fire Gray for displaying the American flag? Please.

It's best for the two parties, and the public at large, if the county accepts Gray's offer and moves on."

Topic Title: wearing a Border Patrol hat is offensive
Topic Summary: according to arapahoe county colorado

Look at the Demographics. The County is 70% Mexican already and climbing.

All the signs, buses, etc are in Spanish.

Welcome to Los Unestados De Mexico.

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

maybe him wearing the hat can be misconstrued as impersonating a law enforcement official?

 

[bayou]

The fact that he was reprimanded & told that wearing the hat is "reprehensible and discriminatory" against Hispanic co-workers" is in itself reprehensible and offensive. If it against some type of dress code it should have been addressed as such instead.

As for Hispanics coming to the US to live and/or work, & especially receive government handouts ....... they should be required to speak English to earn a living here. Anyone who becomes a citizen should speak English. I have lived in an area with a large Hispanic population and was shocked to see bilingual signage everywhere. Some schools are now teaching in Spanish. It's an affront to our country. You live here - you speak English!

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Topic Title: wearing a Border Patrol hat is offensive
Topic Summary: according to arapahoe county colorado

Look at the Demographics. The County is 70% Mexican already and climbing.

All the signs, buses, etc are in Spanish.

Welcome to Los Unestados De Mexico.

Where do your demographics come from? Hispanic population is 11.8% for Arapahoe County. Arapahoe County US Census Bureau Quick Facts

Oh! I know, it comes from your deluded mind.

 

[dahunan]

It shouldn't be considered offensive to ANYONE WHO IS HERE LEGALLY -- DOH!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bayou
The fact that he was reprimanded & told that wearing the hat is "reprehensible and discriminatory" against Hispanic co-workers" is in itself reprehensible and offensive. If it against some type of dress code it should have been addressed as such instead.

As for Hispanics coming to the US to live and/or work, & especially receive government handouts ....... they should be required to speak English to earn a living here. Anyone who becomes a citizen should speak English. I have lived in an area with a large Hispanic population and was shocked to see bilingual signage everywhere. Some schools are now teaching in Spanish. It's an affront to our country. You live here - you speak English!

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Topic Title: wearing a Border Patrol hat is offensive
Topic Summary: according to arapahoe county colorado

Look at the Demographics. The County is 70% Mexican already and climbing.

All the signs, buses, etc are in Spanish.

Welcome to Los Unestados De Mexico.

Where do your demographics come from? Hispanic population is 11.8% for Arapahoe County. Arapahoe County US Census Bureau Quick Facts

Oh! I know, it comes from your deluded mind.

Yep, I'm deluded.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It is a free country they can live where every they please and use what ever language they wish.

I fully understand this...however, it is a bit of a stretch that our government and society feels the need to make special accomodations for one demographic of immigrants...other cultures have immigrated to this country and enjoyed the freedoms it provides while also integrating into the melting pot. Other cultures have maintained their heritage and language while also learning english, which is the predominant language of our country.

A society that splinters into cultural demographics that do not mingle or have a shared destiny or common understanding is not a healthy dynamic.

English should be the countrys official language. If you can't speak it then you can't vote, get a drivers license, etc.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan
It shouldn't be considered offensive to ANYONE WHO IS HERE LEGALLY -- DOH!

QFT!

political correctness is a disease.

 

[Banzai042]

Wow, a thread where ppl are saying that illegal immigration is bad and they aren't being branded as xenophobic. I'm also curious as to why ppl seem to be saying that all conservatives want cheap labor that comes from illegals. Havn't there been several threads where anybody who wanted to take measures to drastically cut illegal immigration were branded as "bushwhackos"? I'll say right now that i am conservative (though at the moment i'm getting more and more frustrated with bush, just so i don't have all my arguments summarily dismissed by ppl that say 'CONSERVATIVE, GO BACK TO WORSHIPING BUSH' or whatever has become the norm now), and i am in favor of enacting drastic measures to cut down illegal immigration. I persionally see no problem with something like the great wall of mexico. If you come to this country legally, good for you, welcome to America, if you are here illegally, get out, and get in line to come in legally.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: bayou
The fact that he was reprimanded & told that wearing the hat is "reprehensible and discriminatory" against Hispanic co-workers" is in itself reprehensible and offensive. If it against some type of dress code it should have been addressed as such instead.

As for Hispanics coming to the US to live and/or work, & especially receive government handouts ....... they should be required to speak English to earn a living here. Anyone who becomes a citizen should speak English. I have lived in an area with a large Hispanic population and was shocked to see bilingual signage everywhere. Some schools are now teaching in Spanish. It's an affront to our country. You live here - you speak English!

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Topic Title: wearing a Border Patrol hat is offensive
Topic Summary: according to arapahoe county colorado

Look at the Demographics. The County is 70% Mexican already and climbing.

All the signs, buses, etc are in Spanish.

Welcome to Los Unestados De Mexico.

Where do your demographics come from? Hispanic population is 11.8% for Arapahoe County. Arapahoe County US Census Bureau Quick Facts

Oh! I know, it comes from your deluded mind.

See when Europeon "settlers" came and took over the territory, it didn't exactly pan out like that. Wait, nevermind we don't like to talk about what happened to the real Native Americans.

 

[Starbuck1975]

See when Europeon "settlers" came and took over the territory, it didn't exactly pan out like that. Wait, nevermind we don't like to talk about what happened to the real Native Americans.

America certainly made some decisions that are contrary to its stated values in pursuing Manifest Destiny, and most of the colonial Euopean poweres weren't exactly kind on the native peoples of the regions they conquered. Then again, the frame of mind in that time period did not take into account the concept of national sovereignty or fundamental human rights...the conquest and assimilation or elimination of less developed cultures was very much the status quo.

 

[Crackle19]

Democrats or Republicans could gain so much ground on this issue if one party made an official stance on illegal immigration. It really is that simple, but the Republicans don't want to lose southwestern votes and the Democrats apparently believe that illegal immigration is a means out for so many people. It actually is a means out for many people and I do sympathize with poor Mexicans who wish to have a better life here, but it is illegal for a reason. If a party could come out and say, "Legal immigration is a great thing. Our country was founded on this principle and nothing should stop it. But, illegal immigration will not be put up with and measures will be taken to combat this problem", the party would be a wrap for the Presidential election, no doubt in my mind.

 

[johnnobts]

dems don't want to lose the votes of illegals. and don't say back to me, "but illegals can't vote..." If dead people can vote (kennedy election), illegals can vote.

 

[Crackle19]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
dems don't want to lose the votes of illegals. and don't say back to me, "but illegals can't vote..." If dead people can vote (kennedy election), illegals can vote.

I don't care about the Illegal vote. (Repubs don't want to lose it either.) This message would be clear to the American people and would resonate well. Last time I checked, most Americans weren't Mexican or Canadian.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It is a free country they can live where every they please and use what ever language they wish.

I fully understand this...however, it is a bit of a stretch that our government and society feels the need to make special accomodations for one demographic of immigrants...other cultures have immigrated to this country and enjoyed the freedoms it provides while also integrating into the melting pot. Other cultures have maintained their heritage and language while also learning english, which is the predominant language of our country.

A society that splinters into cultural demographics that do not mingle or have a shared destiny or common understanding is not a healthy dynamic.

i think the population of the US is already something like 30% latin american and it would be a "hassle".

i still think everyone should learn english eventually. i mean i can a reason for having say forms at the dmv in english, but it does cause people to never bother learning.


i mean i am chinese. they dont have forms in chinese at the dmv (well not like i coudl read them) but it forces chinese people to at least learn english, so i suppose we should get rid of the spanish forms so everyone woul dhave to learn. i think the main thing is there are a A LOT more spanish speaking people so itd be a bigger hassle for a larger portion of the population.