Wealth and Upbringing = Political Leanings?

[Stunt]

Self Explainitory...Go for it.

 

[KidViciou$]

since my dad isn't a citizen (he's very republican though), i had to go based on my mom. and since i'm a college student and don't work, i don't have any income

i had to convince my mom of certain social issues to a more liberal way of thinking though, i reasoned with her and she finally saw that her opinions were just based on pre-conceived notions and prejudices

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
since my dad isn't a citizen (he's very republican though), i had to go based on my mom. and since i'm a college student and don't work, i don't have any income

i had to convince my mom of certain social issues to a more liberal way of thinking though, i reasoned with her and she finally saw that her opinions were just based on pre-conceived notions and prejudices

Good to hear
Everyone wins when debate and reasoning is demonstrated.

 

[KidViciou$]

my dad get's pissed off at me because i use my logic and reasoning on him. i took a philosophy course, critical thinking, where we study fallacies in arguments, and how to make cogent arguments. so whenever we talk politics he gets pissed off cuz i see all the holes in his argument

it seems most republicans i've encountered have this sort of reaction. instead of listening to logic and reasoning, they wanna stick with their gut instincts. maybe that's why they like bush, cuz he's a gut man?

 

[NeenerNeener]

Interesting. Gut instincts seem to me to be emotional reactions. I thought liberals were supposed to be the ones who reacted that way.

 

[kogase]

My dad is definitely a social liberal, and is closer to being a fiscal conservative than liberal. Same for me. Although this makes us sound similar politically, we aren't necessarily. We are lower middle class.

By the way, my dad voted for Nader in 2000, although he doesn't have a history of being very politically concious. He didn't vote so much as for Kerry in 2004 as against Bush. Neither of us liked Kerry (I was 17 during that election).

 

[KidViciou$]

hahahaha, no, emotional reactions is one thing. gut instinct is what republicans have, you know, it's that first reaction that you just stick with it, going with your guts!

that's the condition the republicans have

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Interesting. Gut instincts seem to me to be emotional reactions. I thought liberals were supposed to be the ones who reacted that way.

Well you see, there's pu$$y emotions and hardcore emotions.

EXTREME!!!

 

[zendari]

1. Not fiscal liberal
2. Well, I make $8k at my internship for the summer
3. Not fiscal liberal
4. Dad voted for Kerry (one of those true undecideds until last minute), Mom didn't vote but probably would have voted for Kerry (one of those bleeding heart individuals)
5. Not fiscal liberal
6. Dad makes good money (6 figures). voted upper class even though it might be upper middle
7. Not social liberal
8. Tough one. Neither of them care much for social issues.

Heres another question: Why do you think you differ from your parents, if you do?

I guess I'll start. For one, I never really liked my mom (bleeding heart individual) and still don't do this day. I used to think Clinton was a cool guy when I was about 12 years old, and thought the Dems were the "good guys" (and the Republicans the "bad guys" so to speak). Then came along 2000, and Liebermans video game crusade. Then I realized that the Dems were the party of welfare handouts, and I saw the liberals trying to spread homosexuality in Vermont and San Fran. I guess I grew up and realized I was on the wrong side. Turned 18 Oct. 2004 and casted my first vote for President.

 

[Engineer]

OMG! I might be a "conservative!" :Q

No...No...Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

Fiscally - very conservative. Hate deficits, pork spending, shotty welfare programs, etc.

Socially - (not welfare (i.e. Social program) - but more freedoms) - liberal (I guess somewhat conservative if you count welfare program as I despise so many people cheating the system. I guess there are those that really need them but the rest suck the life from us all).

 

[Stunt]

I'll borrow your template

1. Not fiscal liberal
2. $41-50 US, first job - start aug 2nd.
3. Not fiscal liberal
4. Dad votes red troy (for those who know), Mum is a left leaning liberal. (Canadian Politics People)
5. Not fiscal liberal
6. Household = $200k+ US
7. Don't vote along social lines, against gay marriage; support marijuana, abortion, capital punishment.
8. Not social conservative

I am more fiscally conservative, more social liberal than my parents.
But i think i have been influenced by my dad's business experiences.

 

[sandorski]

Been many years since I lived with Parents, but:

FFC < $20k
FFC Parents---Voted Conservative, Mom now votes Reform/Conservative. Parents were lower Middle class

Socially speaking I'm not sure what my Parents opinions are. My dad was always skittish about the NDP, he having fled Hungary in 1956, and even though he was a Local IWA Union rep for awhile he was certainly against Strikes(though my mom sorta clarified that with some Personal Finance info ). My mom is definitely Socially Conservative, when it comes to Morality, but on the other hand, supports the Universal Healthcare system and other liberal social issues.

Though I call my parents Fiscal Conservatives, I'm not really sure that was their motivation, just that those they voted for were generally Fiscal Conservative, so I just kinda went with it.

Out of that, I turned out Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal. Not really much different than my parents, with the exception that I don't get too skiddish when the NDP is in power. Just more pissed off with their stupidity.

 

[Stunt]

I think i'd rather bush republicans over NDP to be quite honest...
Of course NDP is integrated into the Democrats in the US, and thats why they have a bad reputation.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I think i'd rather bush republicans over NDP to be quite honest...
Of course NDP is integrated into the Democrats in the US, and thats why they have a bad reputation.

Not me. NDP is stupid, but not that stupid.

 

[judasmachine]

My parents are liberals and so am I. Watching my Dad work his ass off to get what little he could get for us, made me not want much to do with the rich kids who had everything handed to them. Where I grew up no one supports the government as it's lied, and cheated everyone we knew. I have an uncle that was arrested with Leonard Peltier if that tells you anything.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stunt
I think i'd rather bush republicans over NDP to be quite honest...
Of course NDP is integrated into the Democrats in the US, and thats why they have a bad reputation.

Not me. NDP is stupid, but not that stupid.

I'm more fiscally conservative than you are though...Martin lover!!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

1. Not fiscal liberal
2. $95k
3. Not fiscal liberal
4. Both vote republican
5. Not fiscal liberals
6. I voted middle class but at different times it could have been lower-mid. Parents got divorced when I was a kid so they were both broke when I was growing up. Right now one would be middle and one would be lower middle.
7. No social liberal
8. Both social conservative

I think I got my conservative viewpoint watching my mom trying to make the mortgage payment and raise two kids while dad was too broke to pay child support. Mom had to go on food stamps for a bit but she busted her ass to get off welfare and make a life for us.

Dad went through a lot of the same stuff. Actually went from being homeless to being a very successful business owner.

So growing up we didn't have any money. But I watched two people who refused to give up and forced themselves to go on. Probably one of the reasons I don't give much weight to people who think they can't make it in life or want to play the victim card by saying the deck is stacked against them.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
1. Not fiscal liberal
2. $95k
3. Not fiscal liberal
4. Both vote republican
5. Not fiscal liberals
6. I voted middle class but at different times it could have been lower-mid. Parents got divorced when I was a kid so they were both broke when I was growing up. Right now one would be middle and one would be lower middle.
7. No social liberal
8. Both social conservative

I think I got my conservative viewpoint watching my mom trying to make the mortgage payment and raise two kids while dad was too broke to pay child support. Mom had to go on food stamps for a bit but she busted her ass to get off welfare and make a life for us.

Dad went through a lot of the same stuff. Actually went from being homeless to being a very successful business owner.

So growing up we didn't have any money. But I watched two people who refused to give up and forced themselves to go on. Probably one of the reasons I don't give much weight to people who think they can't make it in life or want to play the victim card by saying the deck is stacked against them.

Wow, amazing story dude!
Props to your mom, sounds like an amazing woman

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Yeah, you want the definition of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps... that's her. Married at 18. Never had a job except to take care of us. 10 years later dad leaves and there she is with no work experience, two kids and mortgage.

12 months later she was financially independent and paying the bills. It was tight, but she made it.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
1. Not fiscal liberal
2. $95k
3. Not fiscal liberal
4. Both vote republican
5. Not fiscal liberals
6. I voted middle class but at different times it could have been lower-mid. Parents got divorced when I was a kid so they were both broke when I was growing up. Right now one would be middle and one would be lower middle.
7. No social liberal
8. Both social conservative

I think I got my conservative viewpoint watching my mom trying to make the mortgage payment and raise two kids while dad was too broke to pay child support. Mom had to go on food stamps for a bit but she busted her ass to get off welfare and make a life for us.

Dad went through a lot of the same stuff. Actually went from being homeless to being a very successful business owner.

So growing up we didn't have any money. But I watched two people who refused to give up and forced themselves to go on. Probably one of the reasons I don't give much weight to people who think they can't make it in life or want to play the victim card by saying the deck is stacked against them.

I totally respect someone who can turn a bad situation around like that. Just remember that some of your political peers want to deny that help to others who are honestly trying to break their cycle of poverty. Hug your mom for me, she did a good job.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Thanks guys.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stunt
I think i'd rather bush republicans over NDP to be quite honest...
Of course NDP is integrated into the Democrats in the US, and thats why they have a bad reputation.

Not me. NDP is stupid, but not that stupid.

I'm more fiscally conservative than you are though...Martin lover!!

hehe, I just like picking the sure thing!

 

[cwjerome]

Grew up lower middle class. Parents were nonpolitical, guess they just weren't interested... although I'd peg their overall nonpolitical "nature" as semi-conservative (hunting, etc).

Me today, strong conservative but not super political if that makes any sense.

 

[ScottyB]

 

[magomago]

1. Not Liberal Fiscally
2. None I'm a college student
3. Not fiscal liberal
4. I voted Libertarian around last time, parents voted for the first time ever. They voted AGAINST Bush more than anything
5. Not fiscal liberals
6. Since this is So Cal, we are middle class
7. They are EXTREMELY socially(morally) conservaitve...even though i think i'm right of center socially, they make me look liberal
8. I'm not a social conservative

For most of my life it was DEFINITELY lower class...when 91 war broke out it screwed over my dad who was trying on monthly payments from the Iraqi government to survive(monthly living stipend) and pay tution for his PhD. US government took those assests, froze them and no matter HOW much my parents called congressmen and senators they absolutely refused to listen to them, even though all they wanted was just to access the money in the banks for them. Later they were blackmailed by our government with "If you do things such as spying on Iraq and Espionage perhaps we can make a deal" and that infuriated my parent. I think that is what made them disillusioned with the American system when they started to learn how it worked.

After that, my Dad who was a PhD candidate got delayed by many years because he was forced to take the sh|ttiest jobs known to man like working in car junkyards, local fast food locations with graveyard shifts etc..my mom must have made me my clothes for the longest time(and if not that, the only things we'd get would be at goodwill and salvation army) because we could never afford anything. I don't think they EVER ate out after that because we had to save money.

For the first year or so after the war, it was REALLY bad for a year or soif it wasn't for government welfare my dad would not have made it supporting a family of five. Even after finally getting his PhD (3-4 years delayed or so?) he had the hardest time to find any place that would hire him; with him being an Iraqi Muslim, they cited as the main reason they wouldn't hire him since he was the "enemy"[this has happened to others in my family who came here to study as well. My mom's sister who is a Doctor worked 4 months as "temporary" or something like that in a hospital down in Lousiana and at the end of 4 months she was supposed to be hired. At the end they told her they could not accept her because one of the Doctors in the Hospital was Jewish and would quit if she was hired]. Nothing turned around till we finally came to CA.

That is why I PERSONALLY view myself fiscally conservative because I hate bloat...but I personally also realize the wisdom of providing such services. And today my dad has a nice fairly new house in So Cal(2400 sq ft?), two new cars, sending two kids to college, and he is source of tax income for the government. None of that wouldn't have happened if we did not have food stamps, and whatever other forms of assistance they give out.

But according to some people on the board, those on welfare are just lazy bastards who do't want to work...or they feel they are not responsible for other people's problems. You know, its true...we AREN'T responsible for that stuff...but I would think it is a form of higher thinking to say "You know, I can part with this money" and when it comes my turn to pay something like 30% taxes on my intial income, I will do so opposing many forms of Pork in the government, but GLADLY support certain social services because I would not have the luxery of being where I am without that helped that my family was given when I was young.