Weak rant on yet another reason why I dont feel bad about pirating.

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drquest

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PVZ is pretty fun.....

Along these lines, if you own the DVD or bluray version of a movie, do you consider it stealing if you want to put said movie on your mobile device of choice and rather than spending the time to rip it yourself you grab an already ripped version of it somewhere else?
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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PVZ is pretty fun.....

Along these lines, if you own the DVD or bluray version of a movie, do you consider it stealing if you want to put said movie on your mobile device of choice and rather than spending the time to rip it yourself you grab an already ripped version of it somewhere else?

I routinely torrent music I already have on CD. It's easier to do that, than hunt down my disc, and spend the time ripping it.
 

Terzo

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If Bioshock3 does that, I likely won't buy the game. I /may/ consider buying it, and then running a cracked copy, but that's a little more work than I want for my fun time. It'll suck for them. So far they're 2:2 for me buying deluxe editions.

Unfortunately, I believe more and more companies will be adopting such measures, or crippling the game when it is in offline mode (see SSFIV, though I believe they later decided against such a stupid idea).

Thank the pirates for this hassle in the first place

While piracy was probably the original reason for DRM, I believe it's just a scapegoat these days. In fact, at least two developers have said the used game market is more damaging than piracy (Source 1 and Source 2). So many games these days require you to tie them to accounts, whether it's through Steam, GFWL, or even Impulse (to play multiplayer). I don't know if Origins is required for games yet, but seeing as EA wants to push it as a competitor to steam, I wouldn't be surprised. I may be wrong, but I believe even CD Projekt asks for an account before allowing you to download patches (but at least they give you a choice).

Even if a game isn't tied to a service, digital downloads practically kill resale. At least with an account, you can try and sell it (even if it is against TOS). If I download a game from GOG, for example, it's practically impossible to sell. What are you going to do, tell someone "yeah, you can just download it and I'll delete it from my computer."?

I believe the entertainment industry (not just games) would love to sell licenses rather than products. I reckon one day the government is going to have to intervene and declare what rights consumers are entitled to when purchasing licenses (a digital first-sale doctrine).

PVZ is pretty fun.....

Along these lines, if you own the DVD or bluray version of a movie, do you consider it stealing if you want to put said movie on your mobile device of choice and rather than spending the time to rip it yourself you grab an already ripped version of it somewhere else?

The problem with torrenting is that you're seeding it to others. Unless you disable seeding, you can be held liable for that. I'm sure they could take you to court for downloading, but I hope that no jury would convict you if you could show you already owned the CD.
 

KK

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Jan 2, 2001
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Is it wrong if you buy the game, then download the cracked version as it works better?
 

lxskllr

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Is it wrong if you buy the game, then download the cracked version as it works better?

Morally, or legally? AFAIC, you're 100% in the clear morally. Legally? Watch your ass.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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The only virus I ever got was due to downloading what I thought was a cracked version of Bioshock. I can't remember the details, but it wouldn't work after reinstalling the game, or maybe just picking up after a long break. In any case, the fuckin' game I paid for wouldn't work, and I couldn't get anyone to fix it IMMEDIATELY. I was in a blind rage, and downloaded a bullshit crack, and got a virus. It should have been obvious, but I wasn't thinking clearly.
VirusTotal is your friend...
 

lothar

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Jan 5, 2000
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Virus' actually aren't an issue most of the time. Back when I did pirate stuff a lot, in my teens and early 20s mostly, I never had any problem with viruses. I knew where to download stuff from for the most part (Usenet, IRC forums, torrents and the like had very few viruses). I also ran a good virus scanner and scanned everything I downloaded thoroughly. I no longer pirate stuff cause I don't see the point, freeware is generally just as good and I do actually want to support the programmers for the software that I do end up buying, mostly games.

Some amount of DRM is okay with me but I really do think companies shoot themselves in the foot with overly complex DRM schemes. For example I am NOT a fan of having to have a persistent Internet connection to play a game. Ubisoft did this with assassins creed II and Blizzard will do it with Diablo III :( If you loose your Internet connection you will be booted out of the game even if you are playing single player!! This kind of thing just makes people MORE likely to seek out a pirated copy.
Link?
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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VirusTotal is your friend...

I had my head up my ass. Thinking is my friend :^D

I was so pissed I couldn't see straight. I wish I could remember the details. I'm not even sure I reinstalled the game to cause it to not work. I had put it down for a couple months, and then it wouldn't work when I picked it up again, and it took me 3 days to make it work. Three days isn't the end of the world, but when I spend $70 on a piece of software, I expect it to work as advertised, and when it doesn't due to extra code I didn't want in the first place, then there's a problem.
 

Locut0s

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Thank the pirates for this hassle in the first place

Yes it's an arms race between the two but companies really should pay attention to ease of use of their products. Otherwise it's like a supermarket building a brick wall around their store to prevent thieves from stealing their produce.
 

lothar

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I had my head up my ass. Thinking is my friend :^D

I was so pissed I couldn't see straight. I wish I could remember the details. I'm not even sure I reinstalled the game to cause it to not work. I had put it down for a couple months, and then it wouldn't work when I picked it up again, and it took me 3 days to make it work. Three days isn't the end of the world, but when I spend $70 on a piece of software, I expect it to work as advertised, and when it doesn't due to extra code I didn't want in the first place, then there's a problem.
You spent $70 on Bioshock? :eek:
STEAM is your friend.

Bioshock I: $5
Bioshock II: $5(still waiting for this one, but I haven't kept up with STEAM deals since Christmas so I may have missed it?)
 

lxskllr

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You spent $70 on Bioshock? :eek:
STEAM is your friend.

Bioshock I: $5
Bioshock II: $5(still waiting for this one, but I haven't kept up with STEAM deals since Christmas so I may have missed it?)

I got the deluxe edition. It came with a cast resin Big Daddy :^D

Dumb stuff, but I don't spend much money on amusements. It was worth it to me :^)

I got the deluxe edition of Bioshock2 also. I think that cost me $90. That was a nicer set though. Came in a nice box, with a couple posters, and art book, a vinyl record, and a CD.
 

lothar

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I got the deluxe edition. It came with a cast resin Big Daddy :^D

Dumb stuff, but I don't spend much money on amusements. It was worth it to me :^)

I got the deluxe edition of Bioshock2 also. I think that cost me $90. That was a nicer set though. Came in a nice box, with a couple posters, and art book, a vinyl record, and a CD.
I don't buy "Deluxe" editions, Collector's" editions, "Platinum" editions, or "Gold-plated" editions of video games.

The most I'd do is buy Battle chests(Warcraft II Battle chest, Starcraft Battle chest, Diablo II Battle Chest, Warcraft III Battle chest, etc...) or whatever edition includes the regular game and expansions without any extra rubbish.

Give me the game, manuals, strategy guide, and whatever little novel that has to do with the storyline. All those other things you listed in the Deluxe edition of Bioshock II is collectively worth zero cent to me IMO.
 

Locut0s

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I don't buy "Deluxe" editions, Collector's" editions, "Platinum" editions, or "Gold-plated" editions of video games.

The most I'd do is buy Battle chests(Warcraft II Battle chest, Starcraft Battle chest, Diablo II Battle Chest, Warcraft III Battle chest, etc...) or whatever edition includes the regular game and expansions without any extra rubbish.

Give me the game, manuals, strategy guide, and whatever little novel that has to do with the storyline. All those other things you listed in the Deluxe edition of Bioshock II is collectively worth zero cent to me IMO.

To each his own. If it's a game I'm really looking forward to and the deluxe edition comes with something cool enough I can definitely see myself getting it. I preordered the collectors edition of Final Fantasy XIV for example. Though I cancelled it when I learned how crappy the game is :(
 

sandorski

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If I buy a game and it doesn't work for some reason(had a fubarred DVD Drive), I don't think twice about acquiring it by other means. Have only had to do this once, company(Bethesda) got their $, I got a game(FO3) working.
 

Fritzo

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Jan 3, 2001
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Your rant is the same as saying "When I go to an airport, know that I am not a terrorist and just let me on the damn plane."

There's no way to do that without safeguards. Just the same way there is no way to use software legally without safeguards. They're a necessary evil because one hack could mean the difference between providing income for a developer and rampant piracy.
 

RadiclDreamer

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Your rant is the same as saying "When I go to an airport, know that I am not a terrorist and just let me on the damn plane."

There's no way to do that without safeguards. Just the same way there is no way to use software legally without safeguards. They're a necessary evil because one hack could mean the difference between providing income for a developer and rampant piracy.

While it may be true they need to provide protection, they need to do it in such a way that they do not make their customers wait days to use their legally obtained product.

The way it is now is having their cake and eating it
 

lxskllr

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There's no way to do that without safeguards. Just the same way there is no way to use software legally without safeguards. They're a necessary evil because one hack could mean the difference between providing income for a developer and rampant piracy.

Yet somehow PC gaming exploded along with the internet, and made companies huge profits. All with nothing more than an easily crackable CD check. Pirates aren't your customers. You sell games to your customers, and the pirates don't matter.
 

Zargon

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While it may be true they need to provide protection, they need to do it in such a way that they do not make their customers wait days to use their legally obtained product.

The way it is now is having their cake and eating it

his airport analogy works wekll though, as the legit joe schmoe is getting screwed in both analogies :whiste: