"We wouldn't abuse the right to use expanded powers since 9/11"

[db]

"...The letters in question involve records held by Internet service providers about their clients, including billing information, kinds of merchandise the clients buy online and the e-mail addresses of the clients? associates. .."

"As a result of the Patriot Act, the FBI may now use NSLs [national security letters] to obtain sensitive information about innocent individuals who have no connection to espionage or terrorism,...?

"...President Bush has been pushing Congress to renew all of the Patriot Act before it expires next year, arguing that it is one of law enforcement?s best tools in preventing another catastrophic terrorist attack."
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Hospitals, Universities, etc

 

[Glitchny]

patriot act == end of privacy

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Glitchny
patriot act == end of privacy

In the end:


patriot act == money + power

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Glitchny
patriot act == end of privacy

In the end:


patriot act == money + power

lol yeah true, lots of it

 

[TommyVercetti]

patriot act = protecting our freedomds from evil doers.

 

[db]

evil doers = anybody who opposes The Administration or it's policies

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: db
evil doers = anybody who opposes The Administration or it's policies

No evil doers = terrorits.

 

[db]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: db
evil doers = anybody who opposes The Administration or it's policies

No evil doers = terrorits.

evil doers = terrorists & anybody else

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: db

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: db
evil doers = anybody who opposes The Administration or it's policies

No evil doers = terrorits.

evil doers now = terrorists & anybody else

You are begging the question.

 

[db]

The point is, now people who are not even *suspected* of being terrorists can have their information forcefully gathered w/o a subpoena

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: db
The point is, now people who are not even *suspected* of being terrorists can have their information forcefully gathered w/o a subpoena

What are your parameters?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Right now there is an american citizen deprived of his rights, not charged with a crime, arrested on american soil and who can be held forever without being able to face his accusers. Everything we take for granted removed. We are all diminished when you can be taken away. Gone.

We feared the USSR and derided many other countries for this. We no longer have that right. Bin Laden wins, not because anyone dies but because we embrace the concept of a police state to gain imaginary security.

People who would lock up others in this matter do not deserve trust, but rather scorn.

 

[db]

Parameters? WTF do parameters have to do with the reality of what *is* happening?
To say it will never happen and to obscure that it *is* happening is to deny the truth.

Let the apologist for Bush and the denier of reality post another non-sequitur.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: db
Parameters? WTF do parameters have to do with the reality of what *is* happening?
To say it will never happen and to obscure that it *is* happening is to deny the truth.

Let the apologist for Bush and the denier of reality post another non-sequitur.

You are being so linear.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Right now there is an american citizen deprived of his rights, not charged with a crime, arrested on american soil and who can be held forever without being able to face his accusers. Everything we take for granted removed. We are all diminished when you can be taken away. Gone.

We feared the USSR and derided many other countries for this. We no longer have that right. Bin Laden wins, not because anyone dies but because we embrace the concept of a police state to gain imaginary security.

People who would lock up others in this matter do not deserve trust, but rather scorn.

THAT is the fundamental problem with Bush. People criticize Bush for the sake of criticizing, and remove all shreds of credibility from themselves. It's not about his intellectual capacity, and more about his focus. It's just that he does not have the personal freedoms that define the greatest nation to ever inhabit the earth in mind. I'll admit the war in Iraq and Afghanistan were not his best moments, but letting things through such as the Partiot Act is devasting to the hopefully fruitfull future of the ENTIRE WORLD.

No one wants a 1984, and appearantly, Bush hasn't read the book.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: db
Parameters? WTF do parameters have to do with the reality of what *is* happening?
To say it will never happen and to obscure that it *is* happening is to deny the truth.

Let the apologist for Bush and the denier of reality post another non-sequitur.

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On another note, I'm glad I've finally found something I completely agree with the ACLU on. I was really getting tired of hating them. Wow... that sounds suspiciously like something Hitler would have said...