We would do well to remember the words of Barry Goldwater

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Perknose

At least we can ask them. I'd really like to discuss some things with Ron Brown and Vince Foster, but alas, I can't.
*Just trying to stir something up *

That was WEAK! You need a vacation. Oh, wait!

WEAK??????? WHY???????????

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.


Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:

Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).

Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!

You should be very scared of John Kerry then.

Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM

John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?

Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."

Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.

Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."

When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."

Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."

A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.

There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.


George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.

Repost

Nice try, but we all know what political party and which presidential candidate has sold their soul to the Ayatollahyouso! Religious Right, and it ain't John Kerry or the Democrats, my friend.

Oh, you are only concerned about the intrusion of faith into politics when it suits you, eh?

Can you explained why you aren't nother by Kerry's shameful use of Catholicism?

You aren't being hypocritical, are you?

 

[Klixxer]

All fundamentalists will burn in hell, christian, muslim, jewish, hindus or others, all of them, i really REALLY hate fundamentalists of all kinds, like Riprorin, Crimson, Lordwhatever and others...

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.


Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:

Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).

Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!

You should be very scared of John Kerry then.

Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM

John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?

Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."

Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.

Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."

When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."

Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."

A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.

There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.


George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.

Repost

Nice try, but we all know what political party and which presidential candidate has sold their soul to the Ayatollahyouso! Religious Right, and it ain't John Kerry or the Democrats, my friend.

Oh, you are only concerned about the intrusion of faith into politics when it suits you, eh?

Can you explained why you aren't nother by Kerry's shameful use of Catholicism?

You aren't being hypocritical, are you?

Christ, Riprorin, you are so full of it. Even in your twice (at least) posted, right wing crap fest link, the answer is clear:

"Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."

John Kerry is a Catholic. Barry Goldwater was an Episcopalian. Neither has ever believed politically selling out to religious interests was in the long term best interest of the United States of America.

Even in your BS link Kerry upholds this Constiturionally sacred distinction. As the man himself, Barry Goldwater put it:

"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," he said, "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives... "We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now," he insisted. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
All fundamentalists will burn in hell, christian, muslim, jewish, hindus or others, all of them, i really REALLY hate fundamentalists of all kinds, like Riprorin, Crimson, Lordwhatever and others...

Not me?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Klixxer
All fundamentalists will burn in hell, christian, muslim, jewish, hindus or others, all of them, i really REALLY hate fundamentalists of all kinds, like Riprorin, Crimson, Lordwhatever and others...

Not me?

What did you do to get spared?

 

[ThePresence]

never mind.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.


Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:

Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).

Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!

You should be very scared of John Kerry then.

Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM

John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?

Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."

Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.

Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."

When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."

Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."

A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.

There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.


George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.

Repost

Nice try, but we all know what political party and which presidential candidate has sold their soul to the Ayatollahyouso! Religious Right, and it ain't John Kerry or the Democrats, my friend.

Oh, you are only concerned about the intrusion of faith into politics when it suits you, eh?

Can you explained why you aren't nother by Kerry's shameful use of Catholicism?

You aren't being hypocritical, are you?

Christ, Riprorin, you are so full of it. Even in your twice (at least) posted, right wing crap fest link, the answer is clear:

"Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."

John Kerry is a Catholic. Barry Goldwater was an Episcopalian. Neither has ever believed politically selling out to religious interests was in the long term best interest of the United States of America.

Even in your BS link Kerry upholds this Constiturionally sacred distinction. As the man himself, Barry Goldwater put it:

"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," he said, "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives... "We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now," he insisted. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."

So, it doesn't bother you that Kerry supported his legisklative agenda by appealing to a pastoral letter written by the American Catholic Bishops and the National Federation of Priests' Councils?

Can you honestly tell me that you would be as forgiving if President Bush appealed to the Southern Baptist Convention to support public policy?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
All fundamentalists will burn in hell, christian, muslim, jewish, hindus or others, all of them, i really REALLY hate fundamentalists of all kinds, like Riprorin, Crimson, Lordwhatever and others...

Not me, I just hate their sins.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.


Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:

Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).

Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!

You should be very scared of John Kerry then.

Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM

John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?

Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."

Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.

Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."

When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."

Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."

A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.

There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.


George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.

Repost

Nice try, but we all know what political party and which presidential candidate has sold their soul to the Ayatollahyouso! Religious Right, and it ain't John Kerry or the Democrats, my friend.

Oh, you are only concerned about the intrusion of faith into politics when it suits you, eh?

Can you explained why you aren't nother by Kerry's shameful use of Catholicism?

You aren't being hypocritical, are you?

Christ, Riprorin, you are so full of it. Even in your twice (at least) posted, right wing crap fest link, the answer is clear:

"Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.

Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."

John Kerry is a Catholic. Barry Goldwater was an Episcopalian. Neither has ever believed politically selling out to religious interests was in the long term best interest of the United States of America.

Even in your BS link Kerry upholds this Constiturionally sacred distinction. As the man himself, Barry Goldwater put it:

"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," he said, "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives... "We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now," he insisted. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."

So, it doesn't bother you that in matters of public policy Kerry appealed to a pastoral letter written by the American Catholic Bishops and the National Federation of Priests' Councils?

Can you honestly tell me that you would be as forgiving if President Bush appealed to the Southern Baptist Convention to support his views?

Is that the very, very, very best you can do, Riprorin? That "sometime in the early '80's, Kerry had a pastoral letter INSERTED into the Congressional Record?

He didn't even use it or refer to it in a speech 20 years ago, he had it inserted into the Congressional Record? That's your best shot? For this, you ignore Bush's blatant pandering to the Ayatollahyouso Religious Right?

To paraphrase a REAL conservative: "Every good Christian should line up and kick George Bush's ass."

 

[fjord]

I am no fan of Goldwater...but,

We would indeed do very well by remembering his words--and not just remembering, but pondering and debating what these words mean.

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

2 different ways of thinking about-- Extremism in defense of liberty: vis-vis Iraq.

1-Start an unprovoked pre-emptive war, lying on the pretext for such actions -- A policy of unnecessary and arbitrary death and destruction--this is extreme, no doubt. The question is: Is it truly in defense of liberty?

Only the most easily-mislead, and partisan could possibly answer in the afirmative.

2-Expose the lies, deceptions, corruption and un-democratic policies of a self-righteous, fanatical administration. Working to stop the policy of death against innocent civilians. Is this the defense of liberty?

As I understand liberty, yes.

If you are talking about point 2--count me in--I am an extremist in defense of liberty.

 

[Riprorin]

So, it doesn't bother you that in matters of public policy Kerry appealed to a pastoral letter written by the American Catholic Bishops and the National Federation of Priests' Councils?

Can you honestly tell me that you would be as forgiving if President Bush appealed to the Southern Baptist Convention to support his views?

Is that the very, very, very best you can do, Riprorin? That "sometime in the early '80's, Kerry had a pastoral letter INSERTED into the Congressional Record?

He didn't even use it or refer to it in a speech 20 years ago, he had it inserted into the Congressional Record? That's your best shot? For this, you ignore Bush's blatant pandering to the Ayatollahyouso Religious Right?

To paraphrase a REAL conservative: "Every good Christian should line up and kick George Bush's ass."[/quote]

For someone who believes that "when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good", you are awfully forgiving of John Kerry given the fact that he has used Catholic documents to support his legislative agenda and "te third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, 'John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church'". Also, as you point out, Barry Goldwater was an Episcopalean

Are you arguing that Catholics and Episcopalians aren't Christians or only Christians from certain denominations should run for public office?