"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
Goldwater's 1964 Acceptance Speech
Goldwater's 1964 Acceptance Speech
We would do well to remember the words of Barry Goldwater
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Well, this adminstration sees plenty of malice in those that oppose it. Just ask Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, Gen. Shinseki, and Joseph Wilson
Bwuahahaha! Too funny that you should quote the very words that condemned Goldwater's candidacy. You are sooooo retro....
If you find Goldwater palatable, or even preferable, how could you support a neo-con like Bush? Goldwater must be turning over in his grave.
Anyway, Goldwater was really a pretty fair fellow, but didn't have such a good speech writer.
-Robert
If you find Goldwater palatable, or even preferable, how could you support a neo-con like Bush? Goldwater must be turning over in his grave.
Anyway, Goldwater was really a pretty fair fellow, but didn't have such a good speech writer.
-Robert
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Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.
Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
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Originally posted by: Perknose
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
Amen there Barry! :beer:
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Perknose
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
Amen there Barry! :beer:
How did this morph into an anti-Christian thread?
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Perknose
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
Amen there Barry! :beer:
How did this morph into an anti-Christian thread?
Fundamentalistm has been proved to fail?
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You said, "We would do well to remember the words of Barry Goldwater". I wholeheartedly agree. And, numbnuts, neither Barry Goldwater nor myself are anti-Christian, so wipe your BS crocodile tears and listen to the man:Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Perknose
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
Amen there Barry! :beer:
How did this morph into an anti-Christian thread?
When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
Originally posted by: Perknose
You said, "We would do well to remember the words of Barry Goldwater". I wholeheartedly agree. And, numbnuts, neither Barry Goldwater nor myself are anti-Christian, so wipe your BS crocodile tears and listen to the man:Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Originally posted by: Perknose
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
Amen there Barry! :beer:
How did this morph into an anti-Christian thread?
When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
So does the fact that I posted one quote mean that I have to agree with everything he's said and done?
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What an asinine comment! Of course, you don't HAVE to agree with anything.
But you're the one who started a thread, THIS thread, with the fatherly admonition that, and I quote, "We would do well to remember the words of Barry Goldwater".
I wholeheartedly concur, and I'm participating. Barry Goldwater wouldn't have pissed on you if you were on fire. He thought mewling ninnies like you should crawl back to momma. Read him and weep:
"Well, I've spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the 'Old Conservatism.' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength."
"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," he said, "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives... "We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now," he insisted. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
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You said, "We would do well to remember the words of Barry Goldwater". I wholeheartedly agree. And, numbnuts, neither Barry Goldwater nor myself are anti-Christian, so wipe your BS crocodile tears and listen to the man:
When Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1981, some Religious Right leaders suspected she might be too moderate on abortion and other social concerns. Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Replied Goldwater, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."[/quote]
:thumbsdown:
I too had a great deal of respect for Goldwater even though I disagreed with many of his positions. One of the few politicians who was held in high regard by both friend and foe. John McCain reminds me of him a great deal, with his straight forward & honest approach. I actually thought Barry was a little more of a libertarian than a consertative, but libertarian was not a popular term until recent times. One of my favorite Goldwater quotes - on Ronald Reagan's claim that he knew nothing of Iran/Contra - "[He was] either a liar or incompetent."
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If Republicans were like this today I'd be a member of the party. The only prominent Republican that is like this today is John McCain. Unfortunately the Republicans sold their soul to the Religious Right and we ended up with a doofus like Bush for President instead of someone like McCain.
Siddhartha
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Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.
Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
You should be very scared of John Kerry then.
Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM
John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.
"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?
Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.
Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."
Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.
Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."
When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."
Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."
A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.
There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.
George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.
Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
You should be very scared of John Kerry then.
Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM
John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.
"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?
Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.
Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."
Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.
Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."
When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."
Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."
A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.
There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.
George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.
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Nice try, but we all know what political party and which presidential candidate has sold their soul to the Ayatollahyouso! Religious Right, and it ain't John Kerry or the Democrats, my friend.Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Perknose
Barry Goldwater. Back in the day, I loved the man. Due entirely to my madcap efforts, Barry carried the 9th Grade vote at Ridley Park Junior and Senior High School in 1964. It was the only grade he won.
Times have changed. I grew up. Riprorin apparently never has. Still, Barry Goldwater was an original and very much his own man. There is much that the mindless right could learn from such a man:
Goldwater stunned the Christian community with his remark, "I don't think God should be sold for money. And when [Christians] get into politics, I don't think that's good." (Arizona Republic 11/7/92).
Hoisting a :beer: for Barry!
You should be very scared of John Kerry then.
Kerry?s Dirty Deeds By George Neumayr
Published 3/30/2004 12:08:37 AM
John F. Kerry is a more checkered Catholic than the first JFK. Unlike Kennedy who had some residual sense of respect for the Church, Kerry uses his Catholicism as a campaign prop while sabotaging its teachings. The irony of Kerry's Sunday sermon on George Bush's faith -- visiting a Baptist Church Kerry used scripture to suggest Bush has "faith but has no deeds" -- is that the verse describes the spin Kerry usually places on his own religion. He claims the Catholic faith but insists it should not influence his public deeds.
"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?" said Kerry, citing James 2:14. It is a question Kerry has yet to answer: What good is a politician who makes a show of his Catholic faith while casting votes in favor of the abortion of unborn children?
Kerry is an advocate of empty faith. He justifies the blatant contradiction between his Catholicism and his voting record on the grounds that his faith should not drive his deeds.
Kerry rebuked Pope John Paul II last year for urging Catholic politicians to produce public deeds worthy of the moral teachings of their Church. Kerry said he would disregard the Pope's statement. "I believe in the Church and care about it enormously," he said. "But I think that it's important to not have the Church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America. President Kennedy drew that line very clearly in 1960 and I believe we need to stand up for that line today."
Kerry stands up for the "line" between religion and public life, then crosses it himself when he sees a chance to use Catholicism for political purposes. The third line of the biography on his campaign website reads, "John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church." On Ash Wednesday Kerry made sure to emerge from a Catholic Church with ash on his head while photographers snapped their cameras. Last week The American Spectator's Washington Prowler reported that Kerry, outfitted outrageously in ski gear, barged into a Catholic Church to receive communion for another photo-op.
Kerry also uses Catholicism -- that is, a twisted semblance of Catholicism -- to advance his liberal agenda. On abortion, Kerry says that his faith is irrelevant. On left-wing economic issues, however, his liberal understanding of his faith suddenly becomes very public. Kerry says the Pope shouldn't instruct politicians, yet in the 1980s he inserted into the Congressional Record the American Catholic bishops' ill-advised pastoral letter against Reaganomics. Kerry called the quasi-socialist U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on the economy "an important document which should be read by Catholics and non-Catholics alike."
When Kerry sponsored the federal Gay & Lesbian Civil Rights Bill in the 1980s, he noted that the "National Federation of Priests' Councils" supported the "inclusion of the term 'sexual orientation' in existing civil rights laws."
Kerry doesn't mind if heretical prelates influence politics. Kerry even urges them to get into politics. Early in his political career Kerry passed up a congressional seat out of deference to Robert Drinan, the Jesuit congressman who supported Roe v. Wade. And then there was Kerry's campaigning for "Father Aristide." In 1994 he helped the defrocked priest return to power in Haiti, calling him "Father Aristide" in an attempt to gin up U.S. sympathy for the Marxist thug. Aristide was no priest -- the Vatican took his collar away after he descended into violent activism -- but that didn't stop Kerry from casting him as a benign "Father."
A product of Jesuit Boston College law school, Kerry absorbed the modern Jesuit enthusiasm for "liberation theology." This is evident in his apologetics work for "Father Aristide." Kerry bitterly accuses Republicans of persecuting Aristide for his "liberation theology." For this reason he rushed to Aristide's defense -- "Father Aristide may not be perfect (what elected leader is?)," he has written -- despite knowing that the cashiered priest is an inciter of "necklacing," the practice of throwing flaming tires around his opponents' heads.
There has been much talk about the dereliction of the Boston archdiocese. But it goes beyond abuse cases. It also shows itself in the relative silence from the chancery about the Kennedys and Kerrys who use their Catholic faith in elections then traduce it after winning them. Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley, the highly regarded successor to Cardinal Law, could stop Kerry's charade, and the candidate himself has just given him an opening. The bishop could turn Kerry's questioning of Bush's hollow faith on Kerry.
George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.
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