We outsource enough...

[Viper1j]

It's time to import a few concepts.

And I'm loving this!

I have a personal perspective on this. In 2008, my 17-year-old nephew was killed by a reckless driver. As part of his sentence, the perpetrator was ordered to spend 1000 hours in community service at the county morgue. He was required actually assist in forensic examinations of drunk driving victims.

Anti-maskers in Indonesia are being forced to dig graves for COVID-19 victims

Two people were assigned to each grave — one to dig and to line the hole with wooden boards.

www.cbs42.com

INDONESIA (KXAN) — Eight people who refused to wear face masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19 are now facing the punishment for violating Indonesian mandates requiring face coverings. Their punishment: digging graves for those who have died from COVID-19, according to the Jakarta Post.

“There are only three available gravediggers at the moment, so I thought I might as well put these people to work with them,” local politician and Cerme District head Suyono told Tribun News.

Suyono said that two people were assigned to each grave — one to dig and one to line the hole with wooden boards for support. He added that the violators did not, however, participate in the actual burials.

“Hopefully, this can create a deterrent effect against violations,” he said.
Indonesia made mask wearing mandatory on April 5, SBS News in Australia reports. In addition to grave digging, violators in the country have also been made to sit in a hearse containing a casket — and asked to reflect on their actions.

Meanwhile, businesses who violated the rules were temporarily shut down and made to clean sewers as punishment, a law enforcement coordinator reports.
Since the outbreak of the pandemic, over 221,000 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in Indonesia, SBS says. This includes 8,841 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Indonesia has the highest death numbers in all of Southeast Asia.

 

[Greenman]

That you think forced labor for a minor infraction is a good thing makes me wonder how far down the authoritarian road you'd go.

 

[ivwshane]

That you think forced labor for a minor infraction is a good thing makes me wonder how far down the authoritarian road you'd go.

That’s weird, I thought a common sentence for minor violations in this country was community service, aka forced labor. Thanks for the heads up, and here I thought you didn’t know anything about anything.

 

[Viper1j]

That you think forced labor for a minor infraction is a good thing makes me wonder how far down the authoritarian road you'd go.

What would you call prison "chain gangs" if not forced labor?


To this very day they have them in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland.

All completely legal, and state sanctioned.



PS I find your definition of "minor infraction" to be fuzzy at best. Deliberately spreading a deadly disease to perhaps hundreds or thousands of people daily, after 200,000 people have died, is NOT a "minor infraction".

It should be considered an attempted terrorist attack as far as I'm concerned, and should it be proven that someone actually died from their behavior, you can remove the "attempted".

 

[blackangst1]

That’s weird, I thought a common sentence for minor violations in this country was community service, aka forced labor. Thanks for the heads up, and here I thought you didn’t know anything about anything.

This.

 

[ElFenix]

what's with the terrible thread title?

 

[Greenman]

What would you call prison "chain gangs" if not forced labor?


To this very day they have them in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland.

All completely legal, and state sanctioned.

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PS I find your definition of "minor infraction" to be fuzzy at best. Deliberately spreading a deadly disease to perhaps hundreds or thousands of people daily, after 200,000 people have died, is NOT a "minor infraction".

It should be considered an attempted terrorist attack as far as I'm concerned, and should it be proven that someone actually died from their behavior, you can remove the "attempted".

Authoritarian to an extreme, I really am surprised.

 

[Viper1j]

what's with the terrible thread title?

I was on the phone with Pakistan "tech support" when I started this.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That you think forced labor for a minor infraction is a good thing makes me wonder how far down the authoritarian road you'd go.

Precisely.

If you don't agree with us then you will be be inclindend to indentured servitude to learn your lesson.

But hey it's never a problem as long as the punishment matches what *I* think is wrong. That's what makes it a correct action.

 

[nickqt]

Precisely.

If you don't agree with us then you will be be inclindend to indentured servitude to learn your lesson.

But hey it's never a problem as long as the punishment matches what *I* think is wrong. That's what makes it a correct action.

It's so cute when US Conservatives, who intentionally vote for politicians who love "tough sentencing" and the private prison system, start getting upset at the modern prison system.

Keep voting for what you dislike as long as you can own the libs, heroes.

 

[pmv]

What's the conservative position on 'workfare'?

 

[cytg111]

That you think forced labor for a minor infraction is a good thing makes me wonder how far down the authoritarian road you'd go.

Your comments implies you understand the 'grave' authoritarian slippery slope situation you find yourself in now with what Trump is doing to your country... yet here you are making jokes. Funny.

 

[cytg111]

Authoritarian to an extreme, I really am surprised.

Were you drunk when you wrote this?

 

[cytg111]

Precisely.

If you don't agree with us then you will be be inclindend to indentured servitude to learn your lesson.

But hey it's never a problem as long as the punishment matches what *I* think is wrong. That's what makes it a correct action.

You are so confused. Your poor family! One thing it is to sucks to be you, but it sucks to be them too.

 

[Muse]

What would you call prison "chain gangs" if not forced labor?


To this very day they have them in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland.

All completely legal, and state sanctioned.

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PS I find your definition of "minor infraction" to be fuzzy at best. Deliberately spreading a deadly disease to perhaps hundreds or thousands of people daily, after 200,000 people have died, is NOT a "minor infraction".

It should be considered an attempted terrorist attack as far as I'm concerned, and should it be proven that someone actually died from their behavior, you can remove the "attempted".

Yes, I think mask wearing is taken far too lightly in the USA, and I'm not aghast at the Indonesian judge's sentence. That's nothing compared to what they do in China (I'm not talking specifically about mask wearing there, but about internment camps).

Now, it's come to my attention recently that wildfires in CA are being fought to a considerable extent by inmates, FYI.

A judge made me watch videos of horrible aftermath of bad driving when in my 20's after getting multiple speeding tickets. I was not bitter about that, I was OMG that could happen to me. It cured me completely. Haven't gotten another speeding ticket since. In fact, I'm not sure I've gotten another ticket. Oh, and no accidents!

 

[pmv]

Precisely.

If you don't agree with us then you will be be inclindend to indentured servitude to learn your lesson.

But hey it's never a problem as long as the punishment matches what *I* think is wrong. That's what makes it a correct action.

You know a thing called 'community service' exists, even in countries with a less brutal criminal justice system than the US, let alone Indonesia (which I'm guessing is pretty harsh generally), right? The US, as pointed out in the thread, has tended to go to far greater extremes when it comes to forced labour as criminal punishments (mainly as an attempt to keep a racially-based slavery system going after it was officially abolished, as it happens), but even in more moderate systems it's hardly unknown for offenders to be sentenced to do work requiring unskilled labour.

It seems particularly odd for a US conservative to get all rightous about the idea, seeing as your lot have tended to be the ones who pushed most strongly for the most extreme forms of such punishments, e.g. chain gangs. Conservative hypocrisy seems to have no limit.

 

[cytg111]

You know a thing called 'community service' exists, even in countries with a less brutal criminal justice system than the US, let alone Indonesia (which I'm guessing is pretty harsh generally), right? The US, as pointed out in the thread, has tended to go to far greater extremes when it comes to forced labour as criminal punishments (mainly as an attempt to keep a racially-based slavery system going after it was officially abolished, as it happens), but even in more moderate systems it's hardly unknown for offenders to be sentenced to do work requiring unskilled labour.

It seems particularly odd for a US conservative to get all rightous about the idea, seeing as your lot have tended to be the ones who pushed most strongly for the most extreme forms of such punishments, e.g. chain gangs. Conservative hypocrisy seems to have no limit.

Latest news : Biden is an anti waxer... No shit. Also Bidens response is to the epidemic is reason for 200.000 dead. Also, Biden is trying to steal the election by corrupting the postal service. Biden also has dementia.
P r o j e c t i o n. All of it.

 

[pmv]

Latest news : Biden is an anti waxer... No shit. Also Bidens response is to the epidemic is reason for 200.000 dead. Also, Biden is trying to steal the election by corrupting the postal service. Biden also has dementia.
P r o j e c t i o n. All of it.

Biden opposes hair-removal? On which part of the body?

 

[Muse]

Biden opposes hair-removal? On which part of the body?

It was Faux News. We won't find out about Biden's body parts until the debates.

 

[snoopy7548]

Better to have somebody provide community service and attempt to learn about why they were wrong than rot in a prison cell.


I guess these assholes should continue living their perfect lives unimpeded by society:

Virus death toll linked to Maine wedding grows to 7

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — At least seven people have died in connection to a coronavirus outbreak that continues to sicken people in Maine following a wedding reception held over the summer that violated state virus guidelines, public health authorities said.

apnews.com

 

[ch33zw1z]

Better to have somebody provide community service and attempt to learn about why they were wrong than rot in a prison cell.


I guess these assholes should continue living their perfect lives unimpeded by society:

Virus death toll linked to Maine wedding grows to 7

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — At least seven people have died in connection to a coronavirus outbreak that continues to sicken people in Maine following a wedding reception held over the summer that violated state virus guidelines, public health authorities said.

apnews.com

I like how pastor todd bell does exactly the opposite of what jesus would do.

 

[mikeymikec]

I don't think the news is remotely controversial. The law is there to protect public health during a pandemic and anti-maskers are risking everyone else's health for no good reason. IMO jail time isn't appropriate especially because such people would carry on risking the lives of others and still present a risk to public health by carrying on potentially infecting others, so comparatively low-risk community service seems appropriate, and maybe digging graves for those who have died from covid will impress upon these idiots the gravity of the situation and might inspire a modicum of empathy. I don't think a prison sentence is as likely to achieve the intended goal of reform.

I wonder if even a single day of grave-digging might do the trick.

 

[Viper1j]

I don't think the news is remotely controversial. The law is there to protect public health during a pandemic and anti-maskers are risking everyone else's health for no good reason. IMO jail time isn't appropriate especially because such people would carry on risking the lives of others and still present a risk to public health by carrying on potentially infecting others, so comparatively low-risk community service seems appropriate, and maybe digging graves for those who have died from covid will impress upon these idiots the gravity of the situation and might inspire a modicum of empathy. I don't think a prison sentence is as likely to achieve the intended goal of reform.

I wonder if even a single day of grave-digging might do the trick.

Well, that would really depend upon the length of incarceration. If they were locked up until the pandemic was officially declared over, that might have an impact. Lock them in solitary so the only one they could infect would be themselves.

Other than that, maybe require them to actually assist the medical examiner in performing the autopsies of Covid victims. Let them get a birds eye view of what it does to the lungs, the liver, and the heart.

That might wake them up.

 

[Viper1j]

Better to have somebody provide community service and attempt to learn about why they were wrong than rot in a prison cell.


I guess these assholes should continue living their perfect lives unimpeded by society:

Virus death toll linked to Maine wedding grows to 7

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — At least seven people have died in connection to a coronavirus outbreak that continues to sicken people in Maine following a wedding reception held over the summer that violated state virus guidelines, public health authorities said.

apnews.com

In a perfect world, we could gather them all up. Everyone that's against wearing a mask could be gathered and placed on an island somewhere.

Just like they used to do with lepers.

After everybody was dead, the place could be sanitized from the air, and all the former residents could be buried at sea, a.k.a. dumped in the ocean.

 

[Jaskalas]

In a perfect world, we could gather them all up. Everyone that's against wearing a mask could be gathered and placed on an island somewhere.

Just like they used to do with lepers.

After everybody was dead, the place could be sanitized from the air, and all the former residents could be buried at sea, a.k.a. dumped in the ocean.

Pray tell, what is going to kill them?