We need to get the hell out of Afghanistan ASAP

[CupCak3]

It is not the job of Americans to create a peaceful happy existence for people who live in Afghanistan and Iraq or Libya, or israel, or palestine, or Syria, or Jordan. People have to be responsible for their own way of life in their own country.

If they want to kill each other, that is their problem not ours. Whenever they get uppity and attack us, then we should just kill everyone over there. Let them fix their own problems. We dont need to build schools for savages.

All empires that tried to over reach their empire eventually failed. It is nice to help people and all but enough is enough. We cant solve our internal problems and we are spending too much money on this silly ideas of our warmonger military machine. It is time to reign in the dogs of war! War is for killing and destroying, it is not for building up someone elses country.

You think we tread around the Middle East to be generous? Tis nothing but to keep the oil flowing...

 

[Infohawk]

It's definitely time to go. Maybe keep a couple well-defended drone bases there but that's it. We got OBL. If the Taliban try to set up another terrorist training camp just bomb the shit out of it.

 

[OutHouse]

Sadam is dead.
Usuma is dead.

Bring our troops home NOW!!!!!

 

[dawp]

That's your take, not reality, but your take. There are plenty of countries that are not America that are not constantly at war, and backwards.

So you're saying America is constantly at war and backwards?

 

[Ausm]

If you are interested in stories like this though look up the dog that protected the other dog after the Japanese Tsunami and look up the woman who slept next to her husband's casket.

All tho that sounds touching what I am getting at in this thread is that the Dogs emotions speaks volumes for what the majority of Americans feel about all these wars we have been in. We got OBL let's pull our troops out and eliminate the chance of their senseless deaths.

 

[BladeVenom]

We should have withdrawn from WWII after D-Day since a dog mourned one of the soldiers that fell at his funeral.

Yes we should get out but this is not the reason.

We still haven't withdrawn all our troops from Japan and Germany. They've been there for over 60 years now.

 

[chucky2]

All tho that sounds touching what I am getting at in this thread is that the Dogs emotions speaks volumes for what the majority of Americans feel about all these wars we have been in. We got OBL let's pull our troops out and eliminate the chance of their senseless deaths.

You know what the dogs emotions are? You know what the majority of American's think?

 

[Ausm]

You know what the dogs emotions are? You know what the majority of American's think?

LOL I know you sound like an asshole...that is what I am sure of

 

[momeNt]

You know what the dogs emotions are? You know what the majority of American's think?

No he probably doesn't so in the mean time let's error on the side of staying in wars right?

Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you agree with the above statement of mine?

 

[xj0hnx]

So you're saying America is constantly at war and backwards?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Losing American lives isn't a good enough reason?

We got OBL and we've done a number on AQ. They've packed up and moved elsewhere. Afghanistan isn't of any strategic importance to the USA to justify nation building even if you support that type of notion. The local population seemingly doesn't want our democracy since 10 years of our presence over there should have been long enough to make it happen. Plus there's the whole we can't afford this type of war anymore.

the link is a sob story centered around a dog to elicit an emotional reaction.
those who are smart see right through it. others, not so much.

 

[momeNt]

the link is a sob story centered around a dog to elicit an emotional reaction.
those who are smart see right through it. others, not so much.

When they see right through it, what are they seeing? That Afghanistan and Iraq's democracy is critically important and American lives and money must be spent to ensure that every Iraqi and Afghani has a right to vote? Or they just see through the attempt but still agree that we need to get out of the wars.

Enlighten us with YOUR opinion as opposed to just trivializing some color to the story.

I understand that some other person may or may not care if a mother doesn't know how to tell their 5 year old that daddy isn't coming home, and the dog is probably old and going to die soon anyways, but let's hear your point because all you are doing now is being a shit-stirrer.

 

[chucky2]

No he probably doesn't so in the mean time let's error on the side of staying in wars right?

I think if we're going to war we should conquer the enemy and then make the effort to institutionalize them to our way of thinking, just as we had to do with Japan and Germany. Going to war, conquering the current regime, and then letting the F'd up powers that be that remain there stay in power in the background, subverting our long term goals, just so we please 'the rest of the (meaningless) world', is F'ing retarded and has not worked - well - any time we've tried it. And, since it's our troops getting chopped up primarily, and our money getting spent primarily, I'd rather actually win the long term than win the short term and lose the long term.

Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you agree with the above statement of mine?

I'm calling BS on he knows what the dogs feelings are, or that he knows what the majority of American's truly think. Which of the 3 posts above mine are you talking about?

Chuck

 

[momeNt]

I think if we're going to war we should conquer the enemy and then make the effort to institutionalize them to our way of thinking, just as we had to do with Japan and Germany. Going to war, conquering the current regime, and then letting the F'd up powers that be that remain there stay in power in the background, subverting our long term goals, just so we please 'the rest of the (meaningless) world', is F'ing retarded and has not worked - well - any time we've tried it. And, since it's our troops getting chopped up primarily, and our money getting spent primarily, I'd rather actually win the long term than win the short term and lose the long term.

Chuck

Your reasoning brings to mind a great quote from Henry David Thoreau in his book "Walden"

If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life, as from that dry and parching wind of African deserts called the simoom, which fills the mouth and nose and ears and eyes with dust till you are suffocated, for fear that I should get some of his good done to me – some of its virus mingled with my blood. No – in this case I would rather suffer evil the natural way. A man is not a good man to me because he will feed me if I should be starving, or warm me if I should be freezing, or pull me out of a ditch if I should ever fall into one. I can find you a Newfoundland dog that will do as much.

We are doing a lot of "good" over there.

 

[chucky2]

I could give two sh1ts what a poet/writer thinks. If you're going to go to war, that is, expend peoples (on both sides, obviously 'our' sides lives are more important to us) lives, and waste tons of coin, win.

Winning is not defeating the other side militarily and then letting the same F'd up (hint: since we're the winners of the military conflict and thus can control what goes on, we get to decide what is F'd up or not) culture/thought processes/corruption/pickwhatever continue that likely got that country that F'd up to begin with.

We could have done Afghanistan and Iraq much differently, much better. Instead, we went in and decimated them militarily, and then handed it right back to the same people of the same culture of the same indoctrination so 'the rest of the world' and Bleeding Hearts/"The Man" Haters could have a group hug in together that we weren't "occupiers".

Well, guess what?

We were occupiers anyways, as we were going to have to be. Super job...

 

[randomrogue]

We still haven't withdrawn all our troops from Japan and Germany. They've been there for over 60 years now.

ha ha touche!

 

[momeNt]

I could give two sh1ts what a poet/writer thinks. If you're going to go to war, that is, expend peoples (on both sides, obviously 'our' sides lives are more important to us) lives, and waste tons of coin, win.

Winning is not defeating the other side militarily and then letting the same F'd up (hint: since we're the winners of the military conflict and thus can control what goes on, we get to decide what is F'd up or not) culture/thought processes/corruption/pickwhatever continue that likely got that country that F'd up to begin with.

We could have done Afghanistan and Iraq much differently, much better. Instead, we went in and decimated them militarily, and then handed it right back to the same people of the same culture of the same indoctrination so 'the rest of the world' and Bleeding Hearts/"The Man" Haters could have a group hug in together that we weren't "occupiers".

Well, guess what?

We were occupiers anyways, as we were going to have to be. Super job...

So regardless of the intentions to enter a war, once you are in, you are in it to win it. You have a childish view on things. This isn't football, as much as coaches would like to tell you its a war out there on the field, its not.

 

[chucky2]

So regardless of the intentions to enter a war, once you are in, you are in it to win it. You have a childish view on things. This isn't football, as much as coaches would like to tell you its a war out there on the field, its not.

I don't even know how to respond to that...what you've just said is one of the most insane things I've ever seen in P&N, and with some of the posters we have participating here, that's quite a benchmark.

 

[crownjules]

the link is a sob story centered around a dog to elicit an emotional reaction.
those who are smart see right through it. others, not so much.

I'm not sure why you need to "see through" anything. War means loss of life and that impacts people in a very real way. How is appealing to the emotions of those not impacted directly by such loss a bad thing? At least, that's the general sense I get from your post.

Not everyone is motivated or driven by the same things.

 

[Zedtom]

We still haven't withdrawn all our troops from Japan and Germany. They've been there for over 60 years now.

I always ask people who defend America's foreign policy to explain why this is so and I never get the same answer. It's always some weak explanation that we need to protect them from China, Russia or fill in the blank.

 

[randomrogue]

I always ask people who defend America's foreign policy to explain why this is so and I never get the same answer. It's always some weak explanation that we need to protect them from China, Russia or fill in the blank.

Today they're just strategic locations. The USA has bases all over the map. I think there are like 1,000 US bases overseas.

 

[Zedtom]

Today they're just strategic locations. The USA has bases all over the map. I think there are like 1,000 US bases overseas.

So your answer is the the United States will be in Afghanistan forever...since it is in a strategic location.