[WCCtech]AMD Vega 10 Flagship HBM2 GPU Launching In 2017 – Greenland Reincarnated

[mysticjbyrd]

AMD Vega 10 Flagship HBM2 GPU Launching In 2017 – Greenland Reincarnated



So, much for 2016 upgrading...

 

[3DVagabond]

It's wccftech. They don't know anymore than we do.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its was clear from the roadmap at GDC that Vega is 2017.

Only Tonga/Hawaii GDDR5(x) replacements in 2016. This is also why chips like Oland gets its 5th rebrand.

 

[Shmee]

Please remember to put sources in title. (wcctech)

 

[airfathaaaaa]

Its was clear from the roadmap at GDC that Vega is 2017.

Only Tonga/Hawaii GDDR5(x) replacements in 2016. This is also why chips like Oland gets its 5th rebrand.

pretty sure we will see up to 390x(i bet some of them with hbm1) and the succussor of fury will be vega

 

[happy medium]

quote:
That is Polaris 10 and Polaris 11. Both of which AMD has actually shown to journalists, we’re talking about the actual physical dies. Those who have seen them – we’ve only seen Polaris 11, but AMD has shown a Polaris 10 die to visitors of its suite at CES – reported that neither of the dies sported an interposer or HBM like Fiji.

We later confirmed with AMD that indeed the Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 GPUs showcased were configured for GDDR5.


Read more: http://wccftech.com/amds-greenland-vega-10-flagship-gpu-hbm2-launching-2017/#ixzz435H1Un1W

So no hbm cards at all this year, wow.

 

[Erenhardt]

I'm pretty sure Pro Duo comes with HBM.

Seems amd news ruffled some feathers and nvidia started to wake up their marketing forces across the web.

 

[MrTeal]

It's hard to put into words how terrible wccf's articles are. They consistently come off like they're written by a 16 year old ESL student who's gathered facts by trolling the various internet computer forums.

 

[Headfoot]

It's hard to put into words how terrible wccf's articles are. They consistently come off like they're written by a 16 year old ESL student who's gathered facts by trolling the various internet computer forums.

I lol'd. 100% accurate. I can't say I've ever seen an article from Wccftech that actually used its own sources instead of just pulling together otherwise publicly available information and making wild speculation on it...

 

[happy medium]

Seems amd news

What AMD news? or any news?
The only real news I could find is neither AMD nor Nvidia will be using HBM till 2017.
Both camps will be releasing 2 mid/high range power efficient cards with GDDR5 in mid 2016 and both camps will be using HBM 2 in early 2017 with the so called high end cards.

If I'm missing something important ,please fill me in.

 

[happy medium]

So, much for 2016 upgrading...

I tend to agree with this guy.

 

[maddie]

quote:
That is Polaris 10 and Polaris 11. Both of which AMD has actually shown to journalists, we’re talking about the actual physical dies. Those who have seen them – we’ve only seen Polaris 11, but AMD has shown a Polaris 10 die to visitors of its suite at CES – reported that neither of the dies sported an interposer or HBM like Fiji.

We later confirmed with AMD that indeed the Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 GPUs showcased were configured for GDDR5.


Read more: http://wccftech.com/amds-greenland-vega-10-flagship-gpu-hbm2-launching-2017/#ixzz435H1Un1W

So no hbm cards at all this year, wow.

I distinctly remember the earliest reports on what is now known as Polaris 10 as being quite large. No mention of HBM and interposer present or not. If we are assuming ~232mm^2 as the size, how could anyone say large?

This is the first I'm seeing that there is specifically no HBM or interposer.

Wccftech:
We later confirmed with AMD that indeed the Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 GPUs showcased were configured for GDDR5.

Claimed confirmation statement from Jan 16 [before Polaris 10 demo]:

"AMD helped lead the development of HBM, was the first to bring HBM to market in GPUs, and plans to implement HBM/HBM2 in future graphics solutions.
At this time we have only publicly demonstrated a GDDR5 configuration of the Polaris architecture.It’s important to understand that HBM isn’t (currently) suitable for all GPU segments due to the current HBM cost structure. In the mainstream GPU segment, GDDR5 remains an extremely cost-effective, efficient and viable memory technology."


They are fabricating information.

 

[Despoiler]

Its was clear from the roadmap at GDC that Vega is 2017.

Only Tonga/Hawaii GDDR5(x) replacements in 2016. This is also why chips like Oland gets its 5th rebrand.

The roadmap isn't even remotely clear. No one knows what part of the box corresponds to the part of the year below it. ie leading edge, middle, trailing edge. We don't know if the year starts at the 2 after the 0 or after the last digit. We can logically assume it's intentionally vague to give AMD wiggle room.

The reality of the matter is that Vega will drop based on HBM2 availability. The last rumor was SK Hynix won't hit mass production of 4GB stacks until Q3 and 8GB stacks in Q4.

 

[Game_dev]

Its was clear from the roadmap at GDC that Vega is 2017.

Only Tonga/Hawaii GDDR5(x) replacements in 2016. This is also why chips like Oland gets its 5th rebrand.

More rebrands and no high end chip until 2017 would be a fatal blow to their graphics business.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

More rebrands and no high end chip until 2017 would be a fatal blow to their graphics business.

have you seen any 14nm rebrands? please give us any link

 

[Qwertilot]

Very hard to imagine rebrands working surely? They're starting from near the bottom at 14nm, so definitely not there, and with the ~doubling in performance there definitely won't be much room for anything on 28nm above it, even if they do only do the mid range.

Maybe at the very bottom, but I guess that chunk is being left to rot until they can get plausibly modern APUs out.

 

[Silverforce11]

Very hard to imagine rebrands working surely? They're starting from near the bottom at 14nm, so definitely not there, and with the ~doubling in performance there definitely won't be much room for anything on 28nm above it, even if they do only do the mid range.

Maybe at the very bottom, but I guess that chunk is being left to rot until they can get plausibly modern APUs out.

Polaris 11 is the bottom.

14nm FF iGPUs are going to rival entry level 28nm stuff easily.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

This picture is so ridiculously fake:

They're all taken from this real slide: "Vega 10" is 90nm GPU, "Polaris 10" is the 65nm GPU and "Polaris 11" is I think the 28nm GPU.

 

[eRacer]

Polaris 11 is the bottom.

There are plenty of cards selling today that are under GTX 950/Radeon 370/Polaris 11 levels of performance. That is where 28-nm rebrands would be necessary.

14nm FF iGPUs are going to rival entry level 28nm stuff easily.

The performance of integrated graphics on mainstream 14-nm Intel GPUs won't come close to that of Polaris 11. There are also millions of older Intel and AMD systems that could benefit greatly from a budget graphics card upgrade.

 

[MrTeal]

This picture is so ridiculously fake:

"Vega 10" and "Polaris 10" are just taken from this actual slide:

It's wccftech.

 

[el etro]

I bet mainstream GPUs come with this first generation Polaris(polaris 11 is a Cape Verde equivalent and may likely substitute R9 380x, and Polaris10 die size sits between Barts(HD 6870-6850) and Pitcairn, but are likely to succeed the Tahiti chip in positioning), and high-end and enthusiast GPUs will comw with Vega series(with Tahiti and Hawaii(or Hawaii and Fiji if you look at the performance substitutes)).

 

[JDG1980]

Very hard to imagine rebrands working surely? They're starting from near the bottom at 14nm, so definitely not there, and with the ~doubling in performance there definitely won't be much room for anything on 28nm above it, even if they do only do the mid range.

Maybe at the very bottom, but I guess that chunk is being left to rot until they can get plausibly modern APUs out.

He's referring to the "Banks" and "Weston" prototype cards spotted on Zauba a while back. These are likely low-end 28nm rebrands, probably Oland and/or Cape Verde. Completely irrelevant to enthusiasts. I doubt they'll even be sold in the retail market.

Oland was released in 2013, about a year after the first wave of GCN parts. From the beginning it was an ultra-low-end solution (384 shaders) designed primarily for OEMs wanting to offer a cheap dGPU. Both sides do this kind of stuff; Nvidia was selling tiny Fermi GPUs until recently, and are still selling GK107 even in the low-end retail market (GT 740). None of this matters much.

 

[jpiniero]

Polaris 11 is the bottom.

Polaris 11 is probably the 480(X) with Polaris 10 being the 490(X). They'll need rebrands below that, and yes Banks and Weston are probably it.

 

[Silverforce11]

Polaris 11 is probably the 480(X) with Polaris 10 being the 490(X). They'll need rebrands below that, and yes Banks and Weston are probably it.

Given their focus on perf/$ (Raja/Roy/Robert etc), I would expect Polaris 11 to be 460/470 and Polaris 10 beign 470/480. It's entry level and mid-range.

Vegas will cover the upper mid-range and high-end.

 

[tential]

Polaris 10 gives me a reason to finally use crossfire. I knew if I waited that the gpu industry would fit my 720 watt system. Lol I really didn't expect this mode. To last this long.