[WCCFTech] Nvidia mining only cards on the way

[tential]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gpu-cryptocurrency-mining-price-specs-performance-detailed/

How did Nvidia get here first?

 

[Phynaz]

Please no more WCCF links.

 

[thilanliyan]

I personally wouldn't buy them...may be better for mining farms?
I myself would like to be able to sell the card as a "video card" when upgrading and since these don't have video outputs, I can't do that.

 

[swilli89]

Please no more WCCF links.

seriously

 

[tential]

Please no more WCCF links.

I'm seriously praying it's a rumor and not true. I know it doesn't matter but amd should be the vendor to do this first. Nvidia one upping amd on mining is insane....

I know Nvidia is an extremely well run company but man... I just want amd sometimes to take their easy wins

I personally wouldn't buy them...may be better for mining farms?
I myself would like to be able to sell the card as a "video card" when upgrading and since these don't have video outputs, I can't do that.

Yup same. I prefer to not to destroy the potential of my product

 

[Head1985]

Cards are already finished and waiting for release.Nv is first on market
https://videocardz.com/70254/asus-colorful-and-msi-showcase-their-mining-graphics-cards

 

[JimKiler]

Please no more WCCF links.

Are they that bad? I started looking at there site in the run up to Ryzen and Radeon RX 580 and do not remember anything glaringly false that they stated.

 

[Malogeek]

Are they that bad? I started looking at there site in the run up to Ryzen and Radeon RX 580 and do not remember anything glaringly false that they stated.

They're the equivalent of all those stupid click bait sites my wife visits from Facebook.

 

[EXCellR8]

unless they're competitively priced, I don't see much for AMD to worry about.

 

[sandorski]

The Market for these is so inconsistent, I doubt it's worth spending the $ on making dedicated Cards. Unless they are significantly more capable than vidcards.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

This doesn't make any sense. Unless there's some magical nonsense going on, you're paying $40 less for a card that has one purpose and limited resell value. Would chopping the video outputs off really save enough for that price drop?

Nevermind the very real possibility the crypto bubble pops.

 

[DaveSimmons]

"Since this is The Daily Mail, I no longer believe that nVidia exists" --- Fark.com

The last 3 clickbait links I visited at wccf were misleading at best.

I'm still waiting for that promised $299 new price for the 7700K (outside of Microcenter in-store loss leaders).

 

[Bacon1]

Such a huge joke. I mean mining itself is silly because its a waste of tons of power and creating fake money... such a great ponzi scheme but w/e, people will do it to make money and I've done it in the past for S&Gs.

But a mining specific card is worthless. 3 month warranty vs 2-3 year, no DVI so can't even be used as a GPU when not mining and doesn't even look like it would support SLI/CFX/mGPU so absolutely pointless and just a way more expensive and less efficient "ASIC".

The only way a "mining" gpu would be worthwhile purchase is if it doubled as a 2ndary GPU for mGPU.

 

[cbn]

The only way a "mining" gpu would be worthwhile purchase is if it doubled as a 2ndary GPU for mGPU.

I don't mine, but using these display-less cards for something like mGPU (or especially Blender) I think would be a good usage for theses cards once they reduce in value after the mining craze subsides.

 

[Yakk]

This doesn't make any sense. Unless there's some magical nonsense going on, you're paying $40 less for a card that has one purpose and limited resell value. Would chopping the video outputs off really save enough for that price drop?

Nevermind the very real possibility the crypto bubble pops.

Crypto mining is made to have bubbles which pop, needs them actually. The cycle seems to vary so far from 6 months to 1+year . It has to do with the adjustable difficulty based on hashing volume. When it's profitable mining increases as does difficulty until it isn't profitable anymore, at which point the coin value has to increase until it catches up to the difficulty. Otherwise difficulty will slowly come down again until it is profitable again.

 

[wilds]

Such a huge joke. I mean mining itself is silly because its a waste of tons of power and creating fake money... such a great ponzi scheme but w/e, people will do it to make money and I've done it in the past for S&Gs.

But a mining specific card is worthless. 3 month warranty vs 2-3 year, no DVI so can't even be used as a GPU when not mining and doesn't even look like it would support SLI/CFX/mGPU so absolutely pointless and just a way more expensive and less efficient "ASIC".

The only way a "mining" gpu would be worthwhile purchase is if it doubled as a 2ndary GPU for mGPU.

It isn't fake money so to speak if it is quickly and easily converted to real money.

Sure mining can use a lot of power at max overclock, but I've always mined at optimal undervolt clockspeed which sips power and is basically printing money. I've never mined with more than 2 cards at once so it hasn't been mega profitable like some on this forum.

The only way I can see Nvidia making this work is if the mining cards are super cheap; and I mean CHEAP. Like $100 tops.

I hardly see mining as a ponzi scheme however. There's definitely a future to it.

 

[crashtech]

I wonder about distributed computing apps, these seem made for a headless Folding@Home rig, for example.

 

[Bacon1]

It isn't fake money so to speak if it is quickly and easily converted to real money.

I mean most of the coins that serve no purpose other than to create fake demand/supply and then sell them to suckers.

I hardly see mining as a ponzi scheme however. There's definitely a future to it.

Don't get me wrong. I like the tech and idea of it, but 99% of people doing mining are just there to try to hit some get rich quick scheme. But for everyone getting rich, someone else is losing money (purchasing those then worthless coins). Anyone who sold @ $3000 means someone bought at $3000 and now has a digital coin worth $2300.

And yes its a massive waste of power by design because the more people running the higher the difficulty, so its not that more people = more work done, more people = more power = same amount of work in the end = ever increasing power usage for the same end result.

 

[Qwertilot]

It does seem a truly bizzare exercise to me, but there you go.

I'm seriously praying it's a rumor and not true. I know it doesn't matter but amd should be the vendor to do this first. Nvidia one upping amd on mining is insane....

There's nothing 'easy' about one upping someone to produce a modestly customised version of your cards when you've got a vastly smaller R&D budget!

 

[SPBHM]

seems kind of pointless unless their performance is amazing for the money for mining,
because once mining is no longer profitable with it, this will be kind of useless, while regular cards can be sold used for decent money

but with the reports of people paying almost double the normal price for 480s...

 

[swilli89]

Such a huge joke. I mean mining itself is silly because its a waste of tons of power and creating fake money... such a great ponzi scheme but w/e, people will do it to make money and I've done it in the past for S&Gs.

But a mining specific card is worthless. 3 month warranty vs 2-3 year, no DVI so can't even be used as a GPU when not mining and doesn't even look like it would support SLI/CFX/mGPU so absolutely pointless and just a way more expensive and less efficient "ASIC".

The only way a "mining" gpu would be worthwhile purchase is if it doubled as a 2ndary GPU for mGPU.

Excuse me but how is it fake money if it has both intrinsic and extrinsic value?

The US dollar that was stripped of its gold standard is nothing more than a FIAT currency that our US military helps to keep viable around the world.

With a peer to peer currency the LARGEST AND EASILY MOST IMPORTANT element is that is can ENTIRELY ELIMINATE transaction middlemen and their fees.. Think about how much credit card companies and banks want to fight this. You can send and receive money with literally zero fee to pay any middle man, and this element alone makes virtual currencies the future that the top1% and their financial masters want to stop.

Sorry to go so far into that but please educate yourself on the subject before just labeling it "fake money". It has true, unmanipulated peer value. The fed can't just say, welp interest rates are higher.. its truly a free currency for the people, something our country's founders would have agreed upon big time. Only the Federalists who kept trying and failing to establish a non gold backed, national bank FIAT currency like our modern dollar would have argued against it. The same people that manipulated the stock market crash to help push legislation through for a Federal Reserve.

 

[swilli89]

It does seem a truly bizzare exercise to me, but there you go.



There's nothing 'easy' about one upping someone to produce a modestly customised version of your cards when you've got a vastly smaller R&D budget!

It doesn't matter. He probably cares about absolutely zero on this topic, his entire incentive is to try to make fun of AMD because they weren't first. Pathetic.

Insulting other members is not allowed.
Markfw
Anandtech Moderator

 

[sandorski]

Excuse me but how is it fake money if it has both intrinsic and extrinsic value?

The US dollar that was stripped of its gold standard is nothing more than a FIAT currency that our US military helps to keep viable around the world.

With a peer to peer currency the LARGEST AND EASILY MOST IMPORTANT element is that is can ENTIRELY ELIMINATE transaction middlemen and their fees.. Think about how much credit card companies and banks want to fight this. You can send and receive money with literally zero fee to pay any middle man, and this element alone makes virtual currencies the future that the top1% and their financial masters want to stop.

Sorry to go so far into that but please educate yourself on the subject before just labeling it "fake money". It has true, unmanipulated peer value. The fed can't just say, welp interest rates are higher.. its truly a free currency for the people, something our country's founders would have agreed upon big time. Only the Federalists who kept trying and failing to establish a non gold backed, national bank FIAT currency like our modern dollar would have argued against it. The same people that manipulated the stock market crash to help push legislation through for a Federal Reserve.

Not to derail the topic, but in no way is the $US a Fiat currency, Gold backed or not.

 

[crashtech]

Not to derail the topic, but in no way is the $US a Fiat currency, Gold backed or not.

I think you may need to research this a bit more.

 

[swilli89]

Not to derail the topic, but in no way is the $US a Fiat currency, Gold backed or not.

Yes it's literally the definition of Fiat currency. https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...ncy-what-it-is-and-why-its-better-than-a.aspx