Watering your roof is more effective than an attic fan?

Queasy

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My electric bill insanely high in my new house last month (~$250) and this is with us putting the thermostat no lower than 78. Part of the problem appears to be a bad mechanical thermostat upstairs (fixed with fancy EnergyStar thermostat) but the attic is also insanely hot. Just walking up into the attic causes me to break out in a heavy sweat much less moving from one side to the other.

Anyways, I noticed that there aren't any attic fans installed on the gable or roof vents so I'm looking into what I need to install some quiet yet efficient attic fans. I then ran across this.

I have been thinking of ways to keep my home cool this summer, and a friend suggested I install a solar-powered attic fan to pull the heat out of my attic. Will this help?

Common sense suggests that removing heat from the attic over the living space should keep the house cooler. Since homes get hot during the day from the sun beating down on the roof, which in turn heats up the attic, why not use a fan powered by the sun the very thing that is making the attic hot to keep the attic cool?

However, a recent study by Danny Parker and John Sherwin of the Florida Solar Energy Center on the impact of solar-powered attic fans on cooling energy used in houses in Florida found that mechanical attic ventilation was not as effective as had been theorized.

The study showed that the use of a solar-powered attic fan reduced annual cooling energy by only about 6 percent in a house with R-11 attic insulation. That number dropped even further when the ceiling insulation was increased.

So why isn't attic ventilation more effective? According to the FSEC study, heat transfer from an attic to the interior of a residential building is dominated by radiant heat gain from the hot roof decking, not from hot air in the attic. Consequently, controlling attic heat gain through measures other than attic ventilation is preferable and more cost effective.

The FSEC study noted that increasing attic insulation, adding a reflective radiant barrier to the underside of roof trusses or installing a light-colored roofing material is more effective a than increasing attic ventilation.

Art Krenzel, a professional engineer with Phoenix Technologies in Battle Ground, also believes that keeping the roof cool is an important factor. He offers another suggestion.

"I use a sprinkler system on my roof during hot days. I have found that if you can keep the bulk roof temperature at 85 degrees or less using evaporating water, you will drive less heat into the living space from the top," he said.

"As far as attic ventilation is concerned, the better the ceiling insulation, the less effective attic ventilation is at reducing cooling load," Krenzel continued. "However, because heat transfer is proportional to the difference in temperature between the attic and the rooms below, any measures that remove the high-temperature attic air will help."

Krenzel's use of evaporative roof cooling may cost less and prove more effective than investing in a solar attic fan.

If you have less than 12 inches of insulation in your attic, adding more can be an effective way to keep your home cool in the summer and warm in the winter.

George Tsongas, mechanical engineer and professor emeritus from Portland State University, also agrees that an attic fan may not be your best bet.

"Several national studies have shown that radiant heat gain from the roof is a larger contributor to the temperature in the house than is the attic air temperature. While attic ventilation can lower the air temperature in the attic, it doesn't seem to have a significant impact on the temperature in the house."

Attic fans may also present a potential back-drafting risk for in-home combustion appliances, he said.

Tsongas also recommends increasing insulation over adding ventilation.

Putting a sprinkler on the roof on hot days or adding more attic insulation may make more sense for keeping your home cool this summer than spending money on a solar-powered attic fan.

I don't think this would be very effective in Georgia since we are already under watering restrictions (bad Army Corps of Engineers...bad bad bad) for three days a week state wide and less in some counties/municipalities.

It makes me wonder though, if roofing absorbing heat is such a cause of problems, why isn't roofing made to be more reflective instead?
 

mercanucaribe

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How is the Army COE to blame for your inability to voluntarily conserve water? You think they aren't working hard enough on their weather control device? This soiunds like a gigantic waste of water that could be avoided simply by having a light colored roof instead of the standard low albedo grey.
 

FoBoT

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we used to do that in the summer when i was a kid

run a soaker hose in a figure 8 pattern on the roof, turn it on from about 11 am to 3 pm each day

if your water is cheap enough
 

dullard

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Oddly enough I was just thinking about this last night. I was going to sit down and do the calculations one day. There will be a electricity cost point when it is probably cheaper. But where that point is, I don't know.

Of course, only do this in areas where water is plentiful.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: dullard
Oddly enough I was just thinking about this last night. I was going to sit down and do the calculations one day. There will be a electricity cost point when it is probably cheaper. But where that point is, I don't know.

Of course, only do this in areas where water is plentiful.

If water is plentiful enough to waste it on evaporative cooling, it's being done naturally by rain.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If water is plentiful enough to waste it on evaporative cooling, it's being done naturally by rain.
Not at all. Many places have plenty of water (above or below ground) but not rain every day. The rain also never seems to happen during the heat of the day when the sun is shining and you need cooling the most. And who says you can't collect rain in a barrel for use later?
 

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
How is the Army COE to blame for your inability to voluntarily conserve water?

Because the Army Corps of Engineers ignored warnings from residents of Lake Lanier (Georgia's major water reservoir) for months about the water level falling dramatically. They kept telling the residents that their readings were showing that the water level was fine. Complaints finally went high enough that the COE sent someone out to check the meters. They found that the meters were faulty. This resulted in billions of gallons of water being lost which made a potentially mild water shortage for the state of Georgia worse. Throw in the fact that Florida and Alabama share the same water supply and it is a huge issue.

 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If water is plentiful enough to waste it on evaporative cooling, it's being done naturally by rain.
Not at all. Many places have plenty of water (above or below ground) but not rain every day.

like where i grew up.
the central valley of washington is behind the "rain shadow" of the cascase mountains, so it is a desert. they get about 8-12 inches of rain a year.
so the summers are hot and very dry, almost no humidity

crops are irrigated from water that comes from the snow pack in the mountains, so there is enough water to do this, even though there is practically no rain, especially in the summer. and since the humidity is low, it is very effective


basically it is a good idea for a location like a desert that has plentiful water, which does exist
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
How is the Army COE to blame for your inability to voluntarily conserve water?

Because the Army Corps of Engineers ignored warnings from residents of Lake Lanier (Georgia's major water reservoir) for months about the water level falling dramatically. They kept telling the residents that their readings were showing that the water level was fine. Complaints finally went high enough that the COE sent someone out to check the meters. They found that the meters were faulty. This resulted in billions of gallons of water being lost which made a potentially mild water shortage for the state of Georgia worse. Throw in the fact that Florida and Alabama share the same water supply and it is a huge issue.

Hey you know, I mean come on. What's 22 billion gallons of water, a drop in the bucket?

Excuse people that jump to conclusions when they have no idea what the fvck they're talking about.

You better believe it's serious when a state government is considering filing suit against the Army COE.
 

drnickriviera

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Did a little experiment with this today. Measured the attic temp yesterday at 5pm. 116F outdoor temp 92F. Added some soaker hoses today and at 5pm attic 95F outdoor 97F.

Going to do some more test to see how much power the a/c uses vs how much the well uses to pump the water.
 

flot

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I always find it ironic when people "discover" that something so simple that has been done for 20-30 years wasn't very effective to begin with.

Of course, the real problem is that there are all kinds of variables and questions and downsides that don't get analyzed... for instance, they certainly didn't mention how much faster your roof would deteriorate if you "watered" it all day every day.... I imagine that even if it only accelerated the demise of your roof by 10% you could pretty quickly lose your cost savings.
 

acemcmac

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Originally posted by: flot
I always find it ironic when people "discover" that something so simple that has been done for 20-30 years wasn't very effective to begin with.

Of course, the real problem is that there are all kinds of variables and questions and downsides that don't get analyzed... for instance, they certainly didn't mention how much faster your roof would deteriorate if you "watered" it all day every day.... I imagine that even if it only accelerated the demise of your roof by 10% you could pretty quickly lose your cost savings.

LOL great point.

I just make sure to completley stay out of my top floor between 10am and 10pm during any days with highs over 85F. Works for me.
 

everman

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Hopefully solar panels will continue to become more efficient, as it seems that they are. I've heard that the amount of the solar energy that hits the earth that we need to capture right now is 1% of 1% to supply the whole world.
 

Atheus

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Is your roof black? If your roof was white it would absorb a lot less heat.
 

Greenman

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Originally posted by: flot
I always find it ironic when people "discover" that something so simple that has been done for 20-30 years wasn't very effective to begin with.

Of course, the real problem is that there are all kinds of variables and questions and downsides that don't get analyzed... for instance, they certainly didn't mention how much faster your roof would deteriorate if you "watered" it all day every day.... I imagine that even if it only accelerated the demise of your roof by 10% you could pretty quickly lose your cost savings.

Water doesnt hurt a roof (unless it's wood), UV is what kills them. Also, there is a radiant barrier made to go under roofing and siding. It's required by code in some areas.
http://www.radiantguard.com/?gclid=CMvI2uzsv4YCFSR8WAod2jVbTg
 

zixxer

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wtf

I live just outside.


you know how much water it would take to cool my roof to 85f????


a LOT