Watergate Echoes in NSA Courtroom

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"It was perhaps inevitable that someone would compare President Bush's extrajudicial wiretapping operations to Richard Nixon's 1970s-era surveillance of journalists and political enemies. Both were carried out by Republican presidents; both bypassed the courts; both relied on the cooperation of U.S. telecommunications companies.

But there's some irony in the fact that it was AT&T to first make the comparison in a federal courtroom here, while defending itself from charges of complicity in Bush's warrantless spying.

Company attorney Bradford Berenson cited the case of The New York Times reporter Hedrick Smith, who'd been illegally wiretapped by Nixon's Plumbers as part of an investigation into White House leaks. In 1979, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled that Smith couldn't sue Chesapeake & Potomac Telephone Company -- then part of AT&T's Bell System -- for installing the wiretaps at the Plumbers' behest.

The Nixon Defense was one of several arguments offered Friday by AT&T and the Justice Department in their bid to win summary dismissal of the Electronic Frontier Foundation's class-action lawsuit. The suit accuses the company of providing the National Security Agency with access to customer and non-customer internet traffic passing through AT&T's systems, without a warrant.

Without confirming the allegations, AT&T said if it is cooperating with the NSA, it can't be held responsible, because -- as in the Nixon case -- it's serving as a "passive instrument or passive agent of the government," said Berenson.

"AT&T could refuse, could it not, to provide access to its facilities?" countered U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker.

Berenson replied that AT&T would refuse any clearly illegal request, and a courtroom overflowing with EFF supporters broke into murmured, sardonic laughter. In the back, late-coming observers unable to win a seat pressed their faces against the windows of the courtroom door.

The government's surveillance activities of the 1970s were an ever-present ghost in the nearly three-hour-long hearing Friday, in a case that's emerging as a crucial challenge of the law passed in response to Watergate-era abuses. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, requires the government to obtain a court order before performing electronic surveillance in national security cases, except for surveillance targeting only foreign nationals or for emergency wiretaps lasting no longer than 72 hours.

A related law allows private parties to sue a telecommunications company for cooperating in government surveillance that doesn't meet FISA's requirements or the demands of criminal wiretap laws. But that law grants companies immunity if the U.S. attorney general first presents them with a letter certifying that the surveillance is legal.

AT&T won't confirm or deny that it received such a letter. But Walker, who's privy to the government's classified evidence in the case, spent some time posing questions about how a letter would affect the litigation's outcome. EFF attorney Kevin Bankston argued that AT&T has a duty to know the law, and wouldn't be protected by a written request to assist in an illegal surveillance operation. "That piece of paper could not authorize the conduct that we allege here," Bankston said.

The government argued that the existence or nonexistence of a letter from the attorney general addressed to AT&T is one of the many secrets that cannot be disclosed without causing grave damage to the United States. The Justice Department asked that the entire case be dismissed on national security grounds under the rarely used "state-secrets privilege."

Never passed by Congress, the state-secrets privilege has its roots in English common law and was cemented into American jurisprudence by a landmark 1953 Supreme Court case titled U.S. v. Reynolds. In Reynolds, the widows of three men who died in a mysterious Air Force crash sued the government, and U.S. officials quashed the lawsuit by claiming that they couldn't release any information about the accident without endangering national security. The Supreme Court upheld the claim, establishing a legal precedent that today allows the executive branch to block the release of information in any civil suit -- even if the government isn't the one being sued.

"It is an area of the law where the degree of deference from the court to the executive is at its highest," said Justice Department attorney Peter Keisler, who argued Friday that the case must be dismissed because its basic allegations can't be addressed without harming national security.

Acknowledging or disavowing any cooperation between the NSA and a particular telecommunications company, for example, would help terrorists communicate securely. "What the terrorist does when he decides to communicate ... is balance the risk that a particular communication will be intercepted against the operational inefficiencies" of finding another way to talk, said Keisler. Identifying a company as cooperating with the government would take some of the guesswork out of that assessment, and could even subject the company to terrorist reprisals.

But Walker showed some signs that he was taking a more nuanced look at the state-secrets privilege, and might consider making some information -- such as the existence or nonexistence of the attorney general's letter -- available for use in the case. "The state-secret privilege is not unlimited," Walker said.

Walker asked if the government would oppose the court retaining an expert to help sift through the classified evidence and evaluate its sensitivity; Keisler argued that such an analysis wouldn't show proper deference to the executive branch, and suggested it might prove problematic to grant such an expert the necessary security clearance.

For its part, EFF argued that the case can go forward without access to any government documents or testimony, thanks to the written statement and papers provided by former AT&T technician Mark Klein, which purports to show AT&T establishing a secure room in its San Francisco switching center to transmit intercepted internet traffic to the NSA.

EFF technical consultant J. Scott Marcus, a former FCC technology adviser, performed an analysis of the documents. Marcus concluded that AT&T's taps suck down about 10 percent of all U.S. internet traffic. The operation can pick up traffic transiting AT&T's network on its way somewhere else, so even non-AT&T customers are intercepted, he wrote.

"AT&T has constructed an extensive -- and expensive -- collection of infrastructure that collectively has all the capability necessary to conduct large-scale covert gathering of (internet protocol)-based communications information, not only for communications to overseas locations, but for purely domestic communications as well," Marcus wrote.

The government dismissed Klein's and Marcus' statements as "hearsay and speculation" Friday.

"They don't know as much as they think they know," said Keisler. AT&T agreed. "Pieces of cable go into a room," said company attorney Bruce Ericson. "That's as far as they take us."

There were few clues to where the judge was leaning Friday, but as the hearing drew to a close, he asked both sides how they would want to proceed should he deny the government's motion to dismiss -- suggesting he's considering allowing some portion of EFF's case to proceed.

Speaking to reporters outside the courthouse, whistle-blower Klein said the evidence he provided was sufficient to make the case, without exposing any national security secrets. AT&T, he said, helped with "massive interception, without warrant, of everyone's information."

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every single american should be irate about this entire scandal and be demanding legal action. what is america with out freedom and civil liberties?
 

Rainsford

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I will point out one obvious difference...Nixon was doing it to further his own personal agenda, Bush is (probably) doing it out of a feeling of duty and what he no doubt thinks of as patriotism. Not that this is any better, in some ways it's worse...abuses of someone who's doing something he knows is wrong will be somewhat limited, but God save us from the President who believes down to the core of his soul that he's doing "The Right Thing".
 

alien42

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I will point out one obvious difference...Nixon was doing it to further his own personal agenda, Bush is (probably) doing it out of a feeling of duty and what he no doubt thinks of as patriotism. Not that this is any better, in some ways it's worse...abuses of someone who's doing something he knows is wrong will be somewhat limited, but God save us from the President who believes down to the core of his soul that he's doing "The Right Thing".

you are correct except we already have a president who truly believes that what he is doing is not only right but is for a greater power. unfortunately what he believes is the right path is completely destroying what makes america america.
 

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The main difference that I see is that Nixon was wire tapping Americans talking to Americans while the NSA (under directions from Bush) was turning on the second half the conversation between foreign terrorists and their contacts in the US. It was already perfectly okay by law for the NSA to listen in to transmissions that originated outside the US. Voice intercept of international communication is one of the main jobs of the NSA. Where the area of dispute exists is whether or not they were allowed to hear what someone in the US was saying in response to the foreign transmission. I for one would like them to hear both sides of the conversation and find the terror cells in the US. Survelance of international calls is a good idea. I would not support them wire tapping domestic calls without a warrant. If evidence comes out that they were conducting warrantless DOMESTIC espionage I say throw the book at them!
 

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I will point out one obvious difference...Nixon was doing it to further his own personal agenda, Bush is (probably) doing it out of a feeling of duty and what he no doubt thinks of as patriotism.

I believe they're just power craven and working under the knowledge (/assumption) that nobody is going to stop them and if anyone tries to, they'll be shut up one way or another (be it through arrest or just RW verbal assaults of "anti-Americanism/pro-terrorism")

 

Lemon law

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At this point, only the courts can stop Bush as this nation slides into a dictatorship by the
executive branch. Part of Bush's genius is stopping the courts from reviewing cases of this nature.

But in watergate, by in large, our courts worked well.

This is the test of our times---will they work well again 35 years later. So far I think not.
If the courts do not work, our constitution will becomes just a scrap of paper.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
At this point, only the courts can stop Bush as this nation slides into a dictatorship by the
executive branch. Part of Bush's genius is stopping the courts from reviewing cases of this nature.

But in watergate, by in large, our courts worked well.

This is the test of our times---will they work well again 35 years later. So far I think not.
If the courts do not work, our constitution will becomes just a scrap of paper.

Well Bush has already said that the constitution is "just a g*ddamn piece of paper", not surprising how many people treat it as such (TP)

 

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Originally posted by: catnap1972


Well Bush has already said that the constitution is "just a g*ddamn piece of paper", not surprising how many people treat it as such (TP)


Members of the Supreme Court have also taking similar positions.
 

Lemon law

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If the constitution is going to become just a scrap of paper-----this country's proud heritage will be over.

A Very similar thing hapepned in ancient Rome when Julius Ceasar crossed the Rubicorn river with a standing army.

With the plaintive cry of the die is cast---he would either become the dictator or be executed by the then powerful Senate.
He did soon become dictator--or emperor as the proper term---but was much later stabbed by some die hard disgruntled.

Bush has also cast the dice--is anyone listening for the sound of their fall--or more acurately does anyone care.