'water running' sound through the pipes of baseboard heating, normal?

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  1. abc

    abc Diamond Member

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    yea, so this thing was installed in the summer, and now put to first use this winter...

    is there a air bubble in the system? I think this would cause the rooms not to warm up, and the system has to be bled to rid the air pockets....

    the rooms seem to warm up, but the issue is this constant water sloshing in all the pipes throughout the various rooms kind of sound...

    is this more a phenomenon of 'velocity', the rate that the water is pumped through the pipes is too fast? in other words the contractor designed the system bad, and maybe I need a different, say, less powerful water pump?
     
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    Your house is fvckin' haunted. Creepy ass sh!t....
     
  3. NikPreviousAcct

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    Call an expert and find out for yourself.
     
  4. abc

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    no it's not creepy
     
  5. MikeMike

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    i believe it is normal.

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  6. abc

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    duh thanks for your useful comment...

    gimme an 'expert' to call?

    I dont have an expert that I already know I can trust, I'd be calling 'so called' experts, so who wants to fully have to believe what they would tell you without first trying to learn some background info regarding baseboard heating.
     
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    http://www.dexonline.com
     
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    how loud is it? really noisy? or do you have to listen for it?
     
  9. abc

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    really? I've already been told by 1-2 people that you should hear some noise now and then, or you should hear alot of noise when you bring on the system during the cold season but when it's all running the bulk of the noise stops...

    but this system has been on for two nights and it's water whooshing all night behind the drywalls where these pipes are.
     
  10. abc

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    it sounds like slow, lazy, water draining through pipes from afar... but since it runs through every room, you hear it.... you definitely hear it but not if you got the tv on. You do hear it if nothing is going on in thouse house, say when you're trying to sleep.
     
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    the word i was looking for was gurgling... water gurgling kind of noise... must have air in the system... will need to release/bleed it out...
     
  12. dartworth

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    if there is air in the system, it will work it's way out.

    it sounds like the system wasn't vented properly. At least you are getting heat and the system isn't air bound.

    How many zones do you have?
     
  13. abc

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    at most, 2 zones... I think it's just 1 zone, one big loop covering living room, kitchen, 3 bedrooms, bathroom....


    how long does it take to work itself out? I think some help is needed to move this along :)
     
  14. dartworth

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    you should have a small tank near your boiler...it will be higher than everything else. On top of the tank there should be a valve. Crack that valve and see if you get air...you will get some water too, so don't open it in your face.
     
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    it will do that once in a while for me - like twice an hour at most. If it's constant, you need to get the installers on the horn.
     
  16. cavemanmoron

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    air in radiators,
    low water in system,

    should have between 13-15lbs water pressure when system is cold,
    if less than that your water to feed the system is prob off.

    I am not an "expert" but do work on my own house.

     
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    what he said
     
  18. sharkeeper

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    No it is not normal.

    It is normal to hear ticking or groaning when the aquastat opens. This is caused by expanding pipes. A twenty one foot piece of copper will grow nearly 25mm longer when going from 20C to 88C!

    Sloshing indicates air in the lines. You should have a bleeder valve on every baseboard radiator. Open this slightly; a hissing sound indicates air. Let the air out until water pisses out. Remember to add make up water if your system doesn't automatically feed! Check your expansion tank sight glass if so equipped. Over filling the system is bad as well! If the system is overfilled, the boiler will make too much pressure causing relief valves to open. You do not want this to happen outside of system inspections.

    Cheers!
     
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    hey there, i found that based on your description, and it's just a screw off screw cap with one eye hole, as i loosened it SOME air did come out... no water... i tightened it back on when no air wanted to come out...

    also looks like my system is such that I have no release valves at any of the room radiators... so any/all air release has to be done in the basement.

    I have the Dunkirk model Plymouth Ultra... no glass water sight tube though...


    do I have to shut the system (furnace) if I want to bleed the system?


    looks like I have to wait to sunday to get someone in.
     
  20. sharkeeper

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    I'm certified on really large systems in plants and on ships up to 100,000 horsepower so there's some differences for sure. :)

    Bleed as much as you can but make sure you're making up with water. Keep the circulator running while this is going on. Ideally, there should be a bleed valve at the highest point in the system as the air will eventually get trapped up there.

    Cheers!