"water powered"?

dejitaru

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I found this a while ago, appeared interesting (particularly that I have spare magnetrons lying around), yet something about it seems a bit spurious.
I'd considered building it.
Have any of you experimented with this sort of thing?
From 76570.2270@compuserve.comSat Oct 28 17:38:42 1995
Date: 28 Oct 95 15:57:18 EDT
From: Eugene Mallove <76570.2270@compuserve.com>
Reply to: vortex-l@mail.eskimo.com
To: Vortex <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Lawnmower Man

Someone sent me a hard copy of this and I transcribed it. May make for some
fun experiments connected with cavitation, steam, and O-U.

Gene Mallove
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From: Pat_Pelletier@mindlink.bc.ca (Pat Pelletier)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE - NEW INVENTION
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 10:54:05 - 0700
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


I am posting the following for a friend who does NOT have access to Internet.
Comments welcomed.

NOTICE

The prupose of this notice is to place into public domain something which I
invented so that it may be patented and in order to prevent it's use from
being restricted in any way.

The device is an engine in which small quantitites of water are turned into
steam by the use of a magnetron (as found in microwave ovens).

Interested parties may wish to try this test: Place a few drops of water into
a clear plastic 35mm film roll holder and put the cap on the film roll holder.
Place in a microwave oven and turn the oven on. The 'pop' is the result of
the water turning suddenly into steam.

The engine I have invented is far more efficient than any other steam engine
because the efficiency of the magnetron in turning water into steam. In fact,
the water droplet 'explodes' very much like air/gasoline explodes in a
conventional internal combustion engine.

This engine was first tested in 1992. I am however unable to invest the
required capital to produce a more sophisticated model and therefore unable to
patent it. Even though I may not be able to profit from this technology, it
is too good to be kept to myself and I would like to spread it around so that
others may be able to use it.

The following is an outline of how to construct the device and a few cautions:

PARTS NEEDED:

1. Magnetron from medium power microwave oven.

2. Small 4-stroke single cylinder lawn mover engine or similar engine with
'old style' points and ignition system.

3. Automotive alternator with built-in rectifier and regulator, also a 12
volt auto battery.

4. "Trigger" mechanism from an aircraft "strobe" landing light.

INSTRUCTIONS:

1. The magnetron fits into the spark plug hole.

2. The distributor points are modified so that the contact is closed when the
piston is at the top dead center and this contact is used to activate the
aircraft strobe mechanism.

3. The high voltage from the strobe is connected to directly fire the
magnetron which in turn produces steam which moves the piston.

4. The engine turns the alternator which keeps the battery charged, which
supplies the electrical power for the magnetron.

CAUTION AND TIPS:

WARNING!!! DANGER!!!!

1. Be careful around the magnetron. KEEP IT SHIELDED WITH METAL. IT CAN CAUSE
SEVERE BURNS THAT MAY NOT BE READILY VISIBLE WHEN THEY FIRST OCCUR.

2. The 'strobe' trigger delivers a very high voltage which can jump to ground.
WEAR RUBBER SOLED SHOES AND INSULATE WELL.

3. Be sure to modify the distributor points so they close at the top dead
center. Timing advance depends on the power of the magnetron used and the
amount of water. Try different carb jet sizes -- drill out if needed.

4. Due to variables, don't expect high engine speeds without a little
experimentation due to variables.

5. Start with a fully charged battery or your alternator won't work.

6. The energy produced is in excess of the power required to run the
alternator but until you get the RPM up, and the parts wrking in harmony, it
may be best to use a battery charger instead of an alternator.

7. An easy way to measure net power output after you have the alternator on
line is to run a few 12 volt lights from the battery. You will see that the
battery stays charged even with the lights on and the motor keeps on going.

8. Although I have not tried it, the idea of vaporizing water with microwaves
should also work well in a converted turbine.

SPREAD THIS TECHNOLOGY - IT IS FREE!!

PRINT THIS BEFORE IT IS DELETED FROM THE NET!

MY CODE FOR FUTURE IDENTIFICATION IS PANGURBAN
 

Shalmanese

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wow... kook alert.

The fundamental flaw in his reaosn is that the primary reason why we use steam turbines is to GENERATE electricity. Sure, his invention might be more efficient that a steam turbine but that is because he is converting from electricity to rotational kinetic energy. I'm sure a simple DC motor would be more efficient than his contraption. What we WANT is something to convert from heat to electrical energy via rotational kinetic energy.
 

CTho9305

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hehehe, he gives a plaintext code for self-ID. Now anyone can claim to be him. ALthough, only geeks know about PGP... ;)
Is microwaving water REALLY more efficient?
 

RossGr

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I doubt that this is very efficent. One trouble I see is the speed will be limited by the time required to charge the capasitors used by the strobe. It should be pretty easy to determine the efficiency of a magnetron, just compute power in vs power out. I do not think they are super efficient devices (could be wrong, I just making SWAG* here). Sounds like a fun toy but don't bet on it as the solution to the energy problem.



*SWAG = Scientific Wild A$$ Guess
 

PowerEngineer

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Originally posted by: Shalmanese
wow... kook alert.

The fundamental flaw in his reaosn is that the primary reason why we use steam turbines is to GENERATE electricity. Sure, his invention might be more efficient that a steam turbine but that is because he is converting from electricity to rotational kinetic energy. I'm sure a simple DC motor would be more efficient than his contraption. What we WANT is something to convert from heat to electrical energy via rotational kinetic energy.

Correct. Although what I think we really WANT is a more efficient means of turning energy sources into electricity...and better yet new sources of energy that can be used to generate electricity (or hydrogen)

 

Shalmanese

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Ill say this again, YES, its probably more efficient than a steam turbine. NO, its probably not as efficient as a simple dynamo.

the reason it is useless is that it CANT be used as a steam turbine, ONLY as a dynamo. So its a moot point whether it is more efficient than a steam turbine or not.

Steam turbine: Heat ->rotational KE -> electricity
Dynamo: Electricity -> rotational KE
This thing: Electricity -> Magnetron -> steam -> rotational KE

... Oh, wait, it turns out that its just another Perpetual motion machine, my mistake.

6. The energy produced is in excess of the power required to run the
alternator but until you get the RPM up, and the parts wrking in harmony, it
may be best to use a battery charger instead of an alternator.

I never bothered reading that far.
 

rgwalt

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Yeah, if he really means what he says in point 6, he violates the second law. Even if he doesn't mean what he says in 6, this device is more of a novalty than anything else. I don't see how it could be useful in generating electricity. Steam turbines are designed to convert thermal energy into electricity. The device takes electricity, converts it to kinetic energy, and then back to electricty. It can't be efficient.

Ryan