WATER COOLING: how does it work????

Maverick2002

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thats what i want to know.....im overclocking my duron and im considering getting a water cooling system

how does it work? is it reliable? is it worth it? got a link?

thx all :)
 

Viper GTS

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Basic concept of watercooling uses the following parts:

- Reservoir
- Water pump
- Waterblock
- Radiator
- Tubing

The water travels in this order (=> obviously represents tubes) :

Reservoir => Water pump => Waterblock(s) => Radiator => Back to the reservoir

The reservoir is exactly like it implies, a holding tank for the water. Typically around l liter or so, the reservoir ensures there's water available to pump from. It also reduces the risk of introducing air into the system, since any air that makes it into they system will get stuck at the top of the reservoir, where it can't be touched by the submersed tubes.

The water pump is responsible for circulating the water. Pumps are available in many sizes, rated in volume/time (usually gallons/minute or gallons/hour). Higher volume ratings result in better performance. They are available in submersible & non submersible models. Submersible models are generally easier to deal with, since they can be built into the reservoir resulting in one sealed unit & two less watertight connections to worry about. The downside to submersible pumps is that like all electric motors they produce heat. If the pump is submersed in your reservoir, it's an additional source of thermal energy, which will raise the temperature of your water before it ever hits the CPU.

The waterblock is where the actual cooling takes place. It's fastened directly to the heatsource, usually a CPU or a peltier on a CPU. Think of it like a regular heatsink, only using water instead of air. The waterblock is a sealed copper or aluminum block with channels cut inside it. The water goes in one side, travels through the channels, & then out the other side, absorbing heat from the CPU as it goes through. Water has a very high specific heat capacity, meaning water can absorb a VERY high amount of thermal energy without undergoing a dramatic temperature change. Which obviously makes it ideal as a cooling fluid.

The radiator serves to reduce the temperature of the water as much as possible before it goes back to the reservoir. Just like a radiator in a car, it operates via tightly coiled aluminum or coppertubes & aluminum or copper fins. Typically a fan or two is blown directly across the radiator, rather than relying on passive cooling. Once the water completes it's trip through the radiator, it's returned to the reservoir for another trip around the loop.

Water cooling by itself has the potential to cool the CPU to room temperature, while a water cooled peltier system can cool a CPU well below freezing. Water cooling is very efficient, & also very quiet. The downside, obviously, is that you have water inside your system.

;)

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Maverick2002

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WOW!!!! thanks for the detailed info!!!!
now how safe is a water system? and will wrapping it up in electrical tape or anything for that matter to thicken the wall help reduce the potential risk?

btw, how much do you usually pay for a decent one????

thx :)
 

Viper GTS

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Water cooling systems are as safe as you feel like making them.

The easiest, cheapest, & fastest method is to use plastic/rubber tubing with hose clamps. The fittings are usually copper or plastic, & you jam the hose over the fitting & clamp it down. Rubber tubing also has the advantage of being flexible, so routing the tubes is relatively simple.

The more difficult, expensive, & time consuming method uses soldered copper tubing. This method is 100% safe, just like the plumbing in your house. If all the joints have been soldered correctly, & pressure tested, you should be fine. Some people insulate their tubes to keep condensation from forming on the outside of the tube as well as keep unnecessary heat from escaping inside the computer.

Water cooling can be done cheaply, but it can also cost a small fortune. Check out some of Swiftnet's stuff if you want to see the expensive solutions. A high quality, well machined FC-PGA waterblock with two peltiers can easily run you $150+. And that's JUST the waterblock. Add another $50 for a good pump, $50+ for a radiator, etc, & you're looking at some serious money. :Q

Here's some good examples of high-end watercooling done the right way:

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Pic 4

I'm not seeing any prices on this setup, but I'd guess it to be in the $300 - $400 range. Expensive, but kick-ass.

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Maverick2002

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whoa.....thats cool but way too much

im talking about cooling systems i saw over at virtual hideout's cool case gallery that have a bunch of tubes running through the case.....doesnt look super but its not that expensive

for $300-400 i could build a very decent computer system, an amount of money im not going to invest in a duron system

im not THAT rich......

any more ideas????

thx :)
 

Viper GTS

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There are always cheap(er) ways of doing things. Keep in mind that the $300- $400 includes a sweet case. You can get complete kits (with no case) from overclockershideout.com for $150 - $170. Cheaper than SwiftTech, but still not cheap.

Check out overclockers.com for really tight budget solutions. Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page, to the water cooling section. Take a look through there to get some ideas. Then go shopping at your local hardware store. My guess would be you could build a watercooling rig for under $75 pretty easily. Will it be as good as a pro kit? Probably not, but it's also 1/5 the price.

I'm personally considering watercooling for my dual P3 966 that I want to build. I want it to be easily portable & very reliable, though, so I'll probably just stick with two Agilent ArctiCoolers.

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Ultima200

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There are some awesome waater cooling kits for under $150. In my opinion, just a normal water cool system is not a very wise choice because usially you wontbe getting MAJOR cooling. Addding a peltier to a water block is the way to go. The main disadvantage of a peltier is the amount of heat the other side produces, but with a water cooling system, it takes the heat away.
 

Maverick2002

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:) LOFL :)

ok next thing: how hard is it to build one from scratch? where can i find a guide? does a local hwd store sell the parts? help?

thx :)
 

WalkingDead

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Overclock-Watercool has complete kit for $50-$60. However, you will be probably better off put one togetter yourself.

1) "Poly-Block" Waterblock from Overclock-Watercool = $19

2) mounting clip = $0-$5

3) Rio 180 or Rio 600 water pump = $9.50-$11 online

4) A used motorcycle radiator or oil cooler = $15-$50 from you local motorcycle junkyard.

or

A copper tube coil cooler = $10-15, ckeck www.overclocker.com for instructions.


5) Outdoor plastic 6x4 electrical juction box = $12-$13, Home Depo

or

A Hiking plastic water bottle w/ big enough openning for the Rio pump = $3-$5, your local cheapo outdoor shop.

6) hose clips, brass fittings, hoses, silicones, fans = $5-$20

 

glen

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let's clarify something.
A water cooler works, because it uses a relatively large heat sink and fan.
If you could stick one of these directly on your CPU, it would work just fine.
The problem is, they are TOO large to fit inside the case. So, the water is simply for transfering the heat out to the radator.
 

pen^2

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walking dead: rio's (especially 800 models) are known to be quite unreliable, plus the ones you mentioned are somewhat underpowered.
viper GTS: everything looks good, except you wanna put the pump after the water block in that chain so the water passing thru the water block doesnt soak up the heat from the pump before it arrives at the water block (Reservoir => Waterblock(s) => Water pump => Radiator => Back to the reservoir
for athlons, a single 72W will not suffice; with a higher wattage peltier or dual pelts you will need a good PSU and some serious insulation.... insulation is da key!
 

Maverick2002

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cool thx......im not getting one now (im not even o/c ing my duron any more until i see the need for it) but ill look into is later on :)