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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: SsupernovaE
If you're looking for survivability, then the British tanks are superior.
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against what?

against other tanks, the abrams is superior to everything. its firing control systems are amazing - allowing it to maintain accuracy even while on the move, its speed is great (42mph top speed), and due to its turbine engine, its relative silence has earned it the title of "whispering death" 🙂
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Actually, it's not that quiet. The damn turbine engine is not quiet at all, having been around quite a few of them, I can tell you they're anything but quiet. Maybe the moniker is associated with the whinning noise it makes.
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i dont expect the engine to a 70 ton vehicle to be silent either.. i guess its relative to previous tanks? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Soviet
Originally posted by: Troll4Hire
Originally posted by: SsupernovaE
If you're looking for survivability, then the British tanks are superior.
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Sounds like someone speaks with a British tongue. Otherwise you would know better.
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Brittish challenger II is the best tank in the world. No exceptions.
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Except the Abrams is better. Better firepower, targeting, and speed. Challenger II has the better armor.

 
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: lozina
Worlds best MBT!
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I like how it said the German tanks was better but then said that the M1A2 SEP was better. The German tank isn't battle test like the M1 Abrams.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
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The M1 uses DU ammo and beats the German ammo for the L55 gun. The US is upgrading the M1 to use the L55 gun but they have to redesign the ammo for it.


Army 120mm Armor-piercing Tank
 
Originally posted by: Slackware
A $10 roadside bomb or even cheaper RPG will still turn it into rubble, don't get me wrong, it's a nice thank, but between airforce and tactics it's next to useless.

Wars don't care for massive gunfire when the crew can be blown to craps with one hit.
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I've seen documentaries on it that state it can take multiple rounds from any other tank before it would be rendered not battle-useable. I don't see how a cheap ass RPG could take it out, seeing as RPGs contain primitive explosives.

It would also take one hell of a roadside bomb to level one. Not the kind you could make in your parent's basement with items from the hardware store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
 
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: Slackware
A $10 roadside bomb or even cheaper RPG will still turn it into rubble, don't get me wrong, it's a nice thank, but between airforce and tactics it's next to useless.

Wars don't care for massive gunfire when the crew can be blown to craps with one hit.
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I've seen documentaries on it that state it can take multiple rounds from any other tank before it would be rendered not battle-useable. I don't see how a cheap ass RPG could take it out, seeing as RPGs contain primitive explosives.

It would also take one hell of a roadside bomb to level one. Not the kind you could make in your parent's basement with items from the hardware store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
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I guess some people forget that the M1 has been battle tested for 15 years now unlike a few other MBTs that have never even left the testing range.

 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

If I remember correctly, the Abrams sacrifices armor for that speed. Its meant to be a big gun that gets there fast and blows everything away. Certainly not to say that its armor is weak, but its not thick...
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It's not weak at all 🙂 And it's not thick as in 4 feet of steel, but that's mainly because it's an advanced and highly secret composite armor, so it doesn't have to be "thick". The British chally tanks have the same amour type, and they are (arguably) the two best armored tanks in the world. (yes, one can argue the Israeli Merkva has better crew survivability, but the armor itself isn't really any better, it's more the configuration of the tank that makes the difference)


Edit: And yes, IIRC, RPGs have been known to knock out an Abrams - but keep in mind Tanks are not invincible, and they have weak points. The bottoms/rear/sides are not nearly as well protected as the turret/hull front, so yes, it's possible that a very well placed RPG could knock out an M1.

 
Originally posted by: TankGuys
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

If I remember correctly, the Abrams sacrifices armor for that speed. Its meant to be a big gun that gets there fast and blows everything away. Certainly not to say that its armor is weak, but its not thick...
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It's not weak at all 🙂 And it's not thick as in 4 feet of steel, but that's mainly because it's an advanced and highly secret composite armor, so it doesn't have to be "thick". The British chally tanks have the same amour type, and they are (arguably) the two best armored tanks in the world. (yes, one can argue the Israeli Merkva has better crew survivability, but the armor itself isn't really any better, it's more the configuration of the tank that makes the difference)


Edit: And yes, IIRC, RPGs have been known to knock out an Abrams - but keep in mind Tanks are not invincible, and they have weak points. The bottoms/rear/sides are not nearly as well protected as the turret/hull front, so yes, it's possible that a very well placed RPG could knock out an M1.
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There are not much sacrifices on protection. My MOS was 19K in the army for 8 years. I do know about the tank..

The front has the most armor, because the tank is designed for assault and not running away. It has about 16 inches of steel along with 1/2 inch of depleted Uranium slab on the front and sides. The skirts to protect the wheels does not have heavy armor, but do have a honeycomb construction with secret jel that neutralize the HEAT rounds. Heat rounds do more damage then SABOT. Sabot is basically a dart that is made of depleted Uranium.

The top of the tank isn't really protected either. I was a loader, driver, and gunner before I left the army.

Oh Yeah..

With every military equipment.. the Tank is 90% maintenance and 10 action.
 
I live about 4 miles from a tank range, and I can definitely tell you that the Abrams tank is not quiet in any matter. Maybe relative to other tanks, but it isn't quiet. You can hear the tanks moving from at least 2-3 miles away, and I can hear machine gun fire from 4-5 miles away during the night, and you can hear the big gun from at LEAST 10 miles away. Definitely not quiet.

That and hear the constant sound of ah-64 apaches and blackhawks flying overhead, but that's what you get when you live next to one of the largest army bases.
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: SsupernovaE
If you're looking for survivability, then the British tanks are superior.
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against what?

against other tanks, the abrams is superior to everything. its firing control systems are amazing - allowing it to maintain accuracy even while on the move, its speed is great (42mph top speed), and due to its turbine engine, its relative silence has earned it the title of "whispering death" 🙂
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Actually Israeli tanks are pretty much the top stuff atm. They took the Abrams advances and ran with them.
 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Not a bad plan, however I think the army is looking into going with an even more simplified version of this idea, with an even better gun on an even lighter and faster vehicle. I think Future Weapons showed one that was essentially a sniper rifle, where it would shoot from farther away from the target and then be gone before the round hit. I believe it could also shoot several projectiles (at several targets) in short succession, where the computer adjusts the angle of the canon so that the rounds hit their targets at roughly the same time.
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iirc, that was the crusader self-propelled howitzer. it was cancelled by rummy.
 
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