Watch some of this movie and ask yourself how you support the troops

dahunan

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http://lvo.info/videos/The_cowboys_in_Irak.wmv


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The reason I posted it is because they should not be in Iraq... getting murdered daily and in most gruesome fashion...

Force ALL of OUR leaders to be more accountable and not allow them to send our girlfriends, Moms, wives, daughters, neighbors and friends off to die with such great ease... and then they fvcking laugh when talking about the phony excuse for this war never materializing.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
That looks like a terrorist propaganda video.

It is, and it has some pretty gruesome pictures in it that we don't get to see here in the US because our media is so "biased".
 

Pandaren

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I support the troops. I don't support the Empire that recruits the poor to die for a war based on false premises.
 

Bumrush99

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I support all the troops but do not support the false pretenses that were used to fight this war. Eliminate the BS WMD excuse, come out and say you want to rid the world of tyrants like Saddam Hussien and perhaps you have my full blessing.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
That looks like a terrorist propaganda video.

The poor english Grammer and excessive Arab music seems to say yes.
 

Steeplerot

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yeah, I have seen the pictures on the net and the badly produced stuff and graphics remind me of some nick berg video...I never want to see that again....

I skimmed a few seconds and turned it off.
 

cwjerome

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Where's your own imput (as required)?

I'm assuming you swallow this crap hook line and sinker or else you wouldn't have posted it. There's a sucker born every minute. You must have a gigantic propaganda dish on your head. Aren't you the same character who wondered out loud about OBL's messages coming out around election time... oblivious to the plain as day fact that it's the logical time for OBL to do so?



 

cwjerome

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Still have an old article that's kinda interesting regarding "Cowboys."

I guess it's because I live with cactus and horses, but I have a rather romantic vision of the cowboy. In any case, the article makes some decent observations.

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In Defense of the Cowboy
Wednesday, February 26, 2003
By: Andrew Bernstein

If America fully embraces the cowboy's wisdom and courage, then the Islamic terrorists and the regimes that support them had better run for cover.

Those who oppose war with Iraq--from foreign heads of state to homegrown antiwar protesters--employ a common expression of contempt for the American war effort. America, they sneer, is acting like a "cowboy."

A mock interview with Saddam Hussein conducted by a European intellectual is written to show, in one news report's summary, "what out-of-control cowboys the Americans are." A recent New York Times article explains that to some Europeans the "major problem is Bush the cowboy." U.S. Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut agrees, stating that America must not "act like a unilateral cowboy."

These smears imply that the heyday of the cowboy in the Old West was a lawless period when trigger-happy gunmen shot it out with reckless abandon and brute force reigned.

But to most Americans, the cowboy is not a villain but a hero. What we honor about the cowboy of the Old West is his willingness to stand up to evil and to do it alone, if necessary. The cowboy is a symbol of the crucial virtues of courage and independence.
The original cowboys were hard-working ranchers and settlers who tamed a vast wilderness. In the process, they had to contend with violent outlaws as well as warlike Indian tribes. The honest men on the frontier did not wring their hands in fear, uncertainty and moral paralysis; they stood up to evil men and defeated them.

The Texas Rangers--a small band of lawmen who patrolled a vast frontier--best exemplified the cowboy code. Whether they fought American outlaws, Mexican bandits or marauding Comanches, they were generally outnumbered, sometimes by as much as fifty to one. It was said of them: "They were men who could not be stampeded." For example, when Ranger officer John B. Armstrong boarded a train in pursuit of the infamous murderer John Wesley Hardin, he was confronted by five desperadoes. Armstrong took them on single-handed, killing one and capturing Hardin. In describing their independence and courage, Ranger captain Bob Crowder said: "A Ranger is an officer who is able to handle any situation without definite instructions from his commanding officer or higher authority."

The real-life courage of such heroes has been properly memorialized and glorified in countless fictional works. The Lone Ranger television show, Jack Schaefer's classic novel, Shane, and dozens of John Wayne movies, among others, have captured the essence of the Western hero's character: his unshakeable moral confidence in the face of evil. It is this vision of the cowboy, not the European slander, that Americans find inspiring. That's why, when President Bush said of Osama bin Laden, "Wanted: Dead or Alive," most Americans cheered.

The only valid criticism of President Bush, in this context, is that he is not true enough to the heritage of the Lone Star State. When the Texas Rangers went after a bank robber or rustler, they didn't wait to ask the permission of his fellow gang members. Yet Bush is asking permission from a U.N. Security Council that includes Syria, one of the world's most active sponsors of terrorism.
Today the terrorists responsible for blowing up our cities are far more evil than the bandits and gunmen faced by the heroes of the Old West. To defeat them, we will require all the more the cowboy's virtues of independence and moral courage.

Even as our European critics use the "cowboy" image as a symbol of reckless irresponsibility, they implicitly reveal the real virtues they are attacking. European leaders assail Americans because our "language is far too blunt" and because we see the struggle between Western Civilization and Islamic fanaticism in "black-and-white certainties." They whine about our "Texas attitude" and whimper that "an American president who makes up his mind and then will accept no argument" is a greater danger than murderous dictators. In short, they object to America's willingness to face the facts, to make moral judgments, to act independently, and to battle evil with unflinching courage.
These European critics are worse than the timid shopkeeper in an old Hollywood Western. They don't merely want to avoid confronting evil--they seek to prevent anyone else from recognizing evil and standing up to it.

Texas Ranger captain Bill McDonald reputedly stated: "No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that is in the right and keeps on a-comin'." If America fully embraces this cowboy wisdom and courage, then the Islamic terrorists and the regimes that support them had better run for cover. They stand no chance in the resulting showdown.

 

ntdz

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It's easy to support the troops. I'd rather support the troops protecting us from another 9/11 than the people that carried out 9/11. Apparently you have a soft side for the terrorists.
 

2Xtreme21

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Everytime I see that video of Bush speaking at that dinner making those WMD jokes, it boils my blood. I support the troops whole heartidly, but by God when they're dying left and right because of a lie, and you JOKE ABOUT THAT LIE, you should be sent to hell.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Pandaren
I support the troops. I don't support the Empire that recruits the poor to die for a war based on false premises.

Exactly. By in large the military is not just a bunch of gung-ho "Rambos" running around, they are a cross-section of society just like the civilian world, dealing with poor leadership we are all faced with today. Not thier fault. In fact it's worse for them since they are in a harsh slave labor enviroment they have no choice in the matter.
 

dahunan

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The reason I posted it is because they should not be in Iraq... getting murdered daily and in most gruesome fashion...

Force ALL of OUR leaders to be more accountable and not allow them to send our girlfriends, Moms, wives, daughters, neighbors and friends off to die with such great ease... and then they fvcking laugh when talking about the phony excuse for this war never materializing.

 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Pandaren
I support the troops. I don't support the Empire that recruits the poor to die for a war based on false premises.

Exactly. By in large the military is not just a bunch of gung-ho "Rambos" running around, they are a cross-section of society just like the civilian world, dealing with poor leadership we are all faced with today. Not thier fault. In fact it's worse for them since they are in a harsh slave labor enviroment they have no choice in the matter.

No choice? Last I checked they chose to join the military, they weren't drafted.
 

Kerouactivist

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that video is pretty messed up we are all probably on some terrorist watch list for downloading it too.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: dahunan
The reason I posted it is because they should not be in Iraq... getting murdered daily and in most gruesome fashion...

Force ALL of OUR leaders to be more accountable and not allow them to send our girlfriends, Moms, wives, daughters, neighbors and friends off to die with such great ease... and then they fvcking laugh when talking about the phony excuse for this war never materializing.
Why did you not include that in the original post? Why did you simply post a gruesome video and pose the "how can you support the troops" question?

Do you fancy yourself the "shock jock" of P&N? You post quaint little titles without fleshing-out what you actually want to discuss, let the discussion bounce all over, then come back later to clarify if someone calls you on it.

I'm not saying that's not a valid method of discussion, but I'd at least like to know that's what your doing so I can avoid some of it. I'm not a fan of purely open-ended discussion, as most posters here lack even the concentration and attention span required to participate in a narrowly-defined topic, much less a free-for-all.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Pandaren
I support the troops. I don't support the Empire that recruits the poor to die for a war based on false premises.

Exactly. By in large the military is not just a bunch of gung-ho "Rambos" running around, they are a cross-section of society just like the civilian world, dealing with poor leadership we are all faced with today. Not thier fault. In fact it's worse for them since they are in a harsh slave labor enviroment they have no choice in the matter.

No choice? Last I checked they chose to join the military, they weren't drafted.

Last time I checked, it doesn't mean we put them into hopeless situations and make them fight a worthless war.

 

Tab

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One thing I found interesting, was a couple pictures of destroy Abrams Tanks. They must have some series firepower to be doing anything like that.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Still have an old article that's kinda interesting regarding "Cowboys."

Too bad the myth of cowboys is a liberal elitest hollywood myth.

whoo hoo john wayne nazi sympathizer..what a hero...no thanks.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Tab
One thing I found interesting, was a couple pictures of destroy Abrams Tanks. They must have some series firepower to be doing anything like that.

Didnt watch the video but some of the Abrams I saw were destroyed in the early part of the war. Most likely from organized Iraqi army units with close ranged RPGs or even a well placed T-72.

The Abrams isnt what I would call a city tank like the Israeli tank. Close range will knock it out.

 

irwincur

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Can the leftists here please spare us once and for all?

You do not, have not, and never will really support the troops.

What you do support...

Them dying, so you can complain about it and act like you care about them.

I have yet to meet a single leftist that actually supports the troops in any way. Sorry, but I (and the rest of the nation) can see right through this thin veil of support that you have. To the point that I have a few army friends that would most likely shoot you on the spot when they get back - they are sick of being used and paraded around the media.

If you really supported them, you would not be talking about the war constantly. Let them do their jobs and thank them for the work they are doing. Which, yes, also means you have to support the work they are doing. You cannot support someone while at the same time complaining about the work they do, calling them murderers, and generally loathing them.
 

Steeplerot

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o'lielly really has you worked up doesen't he....

your head going to explode yet with conflicting worldviews? your in serious denial mode already irwincur.

Try therapy and do yourself a favor, eat your tv mr. flag waving hatriot
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Can the leftists here please spare us once and for all?

You do not, have not, and never will really support the troops.

What you do support...

Them dying, so you can complain about it and act like you care about them.

I have yet to meet a single leftist that actually supports the troops in any way. Sorry, but I (and the rest of the nation) can see right through this thin veil of support that you have. To the point that I have a few army friends that would most likely shoot you on the spot when they get back - they are sick of being used and paraded around the media.

If you really supported them, you would not be talking about the war constantly. Let them do their jobs and thank them for the work they are doing. Which, yes, also means you have to support the work they are doing. You cannot support someone while at the same time complaining about the work they do, calling them murderers, and generally loathing them.

Oh come on they support them.

Dont you remember Conjur hoping marines burn in hell because of the shooting that was one in the Mosque?

Whenever a mistake in a war is committed we get to see the liberals support first hand.

I honestly dont think we could have won WWII with the liberal in congress and at home.
Can you imagine the uproar after the casualty reports came back from Normandy? 4500 dead in 8 hours?!?!?!?!?
1600 dead airmen after a single bombing raid over Dresden?