Watch "Inconvenient Truth" in the theaters for free this Friday

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: mikeford
Most of the push behind "global warming" is political, not environmental. Elect a democrate in 2008 and watch the issue disappear into the ozone.

Kind of like EVERY republican wedge issure this centrury??? WMD. gays, etc, etc. Of you cant see the Republicans are 10x worse on driving wedge issues, please go jump off a bridge.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crusader
Al Gore has no idea what hes talking about.


Hes surely not a MIT professor specializing in the climate itself.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

Leftists like Gore are the true problem.
Lets see MIT professor < AL GORE ... yyaaaaaaaa...... OK.

Let's see...

MIT professor that is known to be in the back pocket of the oil industry .... check.

Right-winger spouting talking points .... check.

Lindzen funded by OPEC

Righties like Lindzen and "Crusader" are the true problem.

"Three of the skeptics?Lindzen, Michaels, and Balling?were hired as expert witnesses to testify on behalf of Western Fuels Association, a $400 million consortium of coal suppliers and coal-fired utilities"

Standard left-wing response. When you cannot attack a arguement, attack the person making the arguement.

I will attack the person making the argument, because he's making crap up on the oil company's payroll. His opinions mean sh*t. Get someone with a peer-reviewed study that's NOT on the Texas Tea payroll and I'll be glad to listen to/hear it.

 

[Tam0]

I wouldn't sell my opinion for the price of a free movie ticket anyway. H*ll, I can barely stand to watch TV commercials.

But I'm sure there are people out there that can be swayed by the movie though, so it probably is worth the investment in buying out the theatre to promote their ajenda.



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Do you think I can save my soul in the 11th hour by giving 90% of the money I stole from unsuspecting pensioneers, investers, teachers, whomever, to Bill Gates to redistribute???????

 

[TecJunkie]

Originally posted by: mzkhadir

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: manno

Originally posted by: RideFree
OOWWW!
The newest All Gore reincantation.
Listen up! If you'd ever spent a winter in North Dakota, you'd bee all-for global warming.
I spent 9 winters there!
I would spend the first half of the winter shoveling the car out and the second half trying to get it started!

that's just ignant

This movie and this thread are a joke.

😀

global warming is no joke. Your kids wont see the future if global warming takes effect.

fyi we have just been through 3 ice ages juxtaposed between severely hot periods. Humans came about on the tail end of the last ice gage. Even if we are reaching one upward swing in this cycle sooner than the earth would have without our help, the result will be the same in an eon or two. Geologically speaking this situation will correct itself one way or another, and it is similar to the fossil fuel consumption problem in that people are not going to be willing to deal with it until they cannot afford to do otherwise.

 

[russw]

Originally posted by: RedChief
Standard left-wing response. When you cannot attack a arguement, attack the person making the arguement.

Seem to be getting right and left mixed up there Chief 😉 - Std Conservative tactic employed by the mudslinging talk radio prgms and politicians who don't use logical constructs

 

[RedChief]

Originally posted by: russw

Originally posted by: RedChief
Standard left-wing response. When you cannot attack a arguement, attack the person making the arguement.

Seem to be getting right and left mixed up there Chief 😉 - Std Conservative tactic employed by the mudslinging talk radio prgms and politicians who don't use logical constructs

Hmm.....go listen to Randi Rhodes or Al Frankin then listen to Hannity or Limbaugh. All Frankin or Rhodes does is attack.

Additionally, I suggest reading the final chapter of John Stossles new group. Stossel is a libertarian, not a conservative. But he is consistantly attacked by the left while he acknowledged that conservatives would listen to him, even if they dont agree with him.

 

[russw]

Frankin is a comedian which can't be said of the others. But regardless of reactionary or radical political leanings, we all can appreciate a Hot Deal when we see one 😀

Thanks for sharing!😉

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: russw
Frankin is a comedian which can't be said of the others. But regardless of reactionary or radical political leanings, we all can appreciate a Hot Deal when we see one 😀

Thanks for sharing!😉

Basically, you got owned, and you are bitter. Thanks for sharing.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
So, both a natural variation (such as the AMO) and global warming could have made contributions to the warming of the tropical Atlantic over the past decades, but an exact attribution is so far impossible to make.[37]"

All of this combined with the fact that we now know when ANY tropical cyclone exists (whereas before, we heard about it from fishermen, or reports of an entire island being wiped out) leads me to believe that we still don't know if GW is affecting (or at least seriously affecting the number/intensity of hurricanes).


It isn't even in the top 20 "deadliest Atlantic Hurricanes" list.

So what exactly are you denying here? Global warming is happening or the source of it?
Because either way its happening.

But that is weak if the basis of your entire argument hung on the words could and impossible.

And what the fvck do you think was so special about Katrina? There have been equally bad hurricanes in the past, it just so happened that this one fvcked up a heavily populated city that exists BENEATH THE GODDAMN SEA LEVEL.

YEAH OK. Mr Trent Lott's house was flooded too i guess that was beneath the goddamn sea level. Oh forget the fact that the states surrounding Louisana had cases of massive flooding.

It isn't even in the top 20 "deadliest Atlantic Hurricanes" list.

I like how you pull this entirely out of your ass, show me this top 20 list, because its certainly top 20 in devestation.

 

[sMiLeYz]

This isnt a remotely political issue, its basically an issue of the future of our planet. Climate change is real and can wipe out entire species.

No one actually disagrees global warming is happening? Whether it be just natural phenomon or partially attributed to carbon emissions.

 

[Bonesdad]

Makes me sad to see all the liberal and gore bashing comments here. I just saw the movie...it's devastating. Go see it...don't make up your mind until you see it and actually THINK for yourself about these issues. I challenge you.


Damn people, just use your own brains, instead of parroting the republican OR democratic lines. The evidence is all there, and we may already be too late.

 

[troublesbro]

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

If this was posted before, I apologize...

Better yet... here is a wikipedia list of skeptics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Global_warming_skeptics

The true scientists listed among these folks are NOT saying global warming isn't happening. They are just not so fast to say that this is all our fault. When I was a kid we were all gonna die from another ice age... then the population of the earth was going to explode and it was too late, because we had already depleted the earth of it's resources and we couldn't recover... a lot of scare tactics going on on both sides, but that's how research money is granted a lot of the time. Oh... and how donations to charitable(environmental) organizations are raised. Fear and guilt are big business in America.

 

[Monotaur]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Excelsior
So, both a natural variation (such as the AMO) and global warming could have made contributions to the warming of the tropical Atlantic over the past decades, but an exact attribution is so far impossible to make.[37]"

All of this combined with the fact that we now know when ANY tropical cyclone exists (whereas before, we heard about it from fishermen, or reports of an entire island being wiped out) leads me to believe that we still don't know if GW is affecting (or at least seriously affecting the number/intensity of hurricanes).


It isn't even in the top 20 "deadliest Atlantic Hurricanes" list.

So what exactly are you denying here? Global warming is happening or the source of it?
Because either way its happening.

I believe what hs is saying is that there is no way to correlate hurricane Katrina with global warming (as everyone seems to be doing). As he said, there have been MANY more hurricanes with much stronger winds (200+ MPH for examples), etc., and the strength and number of tropical storms seem to correlate with a several-decade long cycle. Remember hurricane Camile?

As for the point of modern observatory methods increasing the number of detected tropical storms, I think that is a very valid point. There is a similiar phoenomina with tornados in the US. A year or two ago, I read a story about there being a record number of tornados observed that year (IIRC). Anyway. some people claimed that this was a result of global warming; however, it turns out that many of these tornados formed in very sparsely populated areas where no one actually observed them - in fact, they were either indirectly observed via radar or were so weak that they might not have been considered a tornado if observed by a human at night, etc. You can't really compare a count of tornados obtained with radar, etc, to an older number obtained by direct human observation and have a fair comparison at all. A similiar analogy holds for tropical storms.

But that is weak if the basis of your entire argument hung on the words could and impossible.

And what the fvck do you think was so special about Katrina? There have been equally bad hurricanes in the past, it just so happened that this one fvcked up a heavily populated city that exists BENEATH THE GODDAMN SEA LEVEL.

YEAH OK. Mr Trent Lott's house was flooded too i guess that was beneath the goddamn sea level. Oh forget the fact that the states surrounding Louisana had cases of massive flooding.

It isn't even in the top 20 "deadliest Atlantic Hurricanes" list.

I like how you pull this entirely out of your ass, show me this top 20 list, because its certainly top 20 in devestation.

Another misleading point often brought up by the "pro global warming" camp. Over the last 30 years, there has been a LOT more coastal development (especailly in the south east, during the last lull in the hurricane cycle). Since there is so much more development in this area now, obviously there is going to be more damage.

 

[Monotaur]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
This isnt a remotely political issue, its basically an issue of the future of our planet. Climate change is real and can wipe out entire species.

No one actually disagrees global warming is happening? Whether it be just natural phenomon or partially attributed to carbon emissions.

If global warming is actually happening, what would you propose we do if it is only part of a natural cycle that has always existed? What if human activity had nothing to do with it? Would you still propose strict emission cuts, etc? How would your views change if it was found (as it is very likely) that any change in global temps were very closely related to the solar cycle and changes in the Earth's magnetic field?

The fact of it is, this is a deeply political issue. Anytime a politician uses this issue to further their agenda it becomes political. This issue affects research funding, future political elections, etc. How can it not be political?

 

[Monotaur]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad
Makes me sad to see all the liberal and gore bashing comments here. I just saw the movie...it's devastating. Go see it...don't make up your mind until you see it and actually THINK for yourself about these issues. I challenge you.


Damn people, just use your own brains, instead of parroting the republican OR democratic lines. The evidence is all there, and we may already be too late.

That's actually pretty funny. I know you didn't mean for it to be, but it is. 🙂

Admittedly, I haven't seen this movie. However, I've read about it and it seems that there is quite a bit of misinformation presented, bothin terms of images and information.

If you really wanted to "use you brain" and "THINK for yourself about these issues" you certainly don't need to see this movie, or any movie for the matter. Instead, why not go do some of your own research? You can start by searching the web for more information from people without grandios political agendas. That would certainly be more informational that watching a biased film.

 

[Excelsior]

Thanks Monotaur, for clearing up/explaining what I meant.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Excelsior
So, both a natural variation (such as the AMO) and global warming could have made contributions to the warming of the tropical Atlantic over the past decades, but an exact attribution is so far impossible to make.[37]"

All of this combined with the fact that we now know when ANY tropical cyclone exists (whereas before, we heard about it from fishermen, or reports of an entire island being wiped out) leads me to believe that we still don't know if GW is affecting (or at least seriously affecting the number/intensity of hurricanes).


It isn't even in the top 20 "deadliest Atlantic Hurricanes" list.

So what exactly are you denying here? Global warming is happening or the source of it?
Because either way its happening.

But that is weak if the basis of your entire argument hung on the words could and impossible.

And what the fvck do you think was so special about Katrina? There have been equally bad hurricanes in the past, it just so happened that this one fvcked up a heavily populated city that exists BENEATH THE GODDAMN SEA LEVEL.

YEAH OK. Mr Trent Lott's house was flooded too i guess that was beneath the goddamn sea level. Oh forget the fact that the states surrounding Louisana had cases of massive flooding.

It isn't even in the top 20 "deadliest Atlantic Hurricanes" list.

I like how you pull this entirely out of your ass, show me this top 20 list, because its certainly top 20 in devestation.

You can't dispute that the majority of the death caused by flooding took place in NO. That is what I meant by that statement. Quite simply, NO was already predisposed to such destruction. It just took a powerful hurricane to hit it directly...

And Trent Lott's house was on the coast right? Well..you have no argument there. Of course storm surge will flood any homes on the coast. That is a risk that one takes when building a house right on the beach.

And

I never once tried to deny GWs existence. Infact, I don't think the skeptics even deny that...but some skeptics try to attribute the warming to the natural cycle of warming/cooling that the Earth undergoes. I personally don't know or try to act like I know the truth, but I also hate it when people act like they know something, when they don't.

I would certainly like lower pollution though...so however we can acheive that, I am all for it.

And the list, Mr. Angry Man, is here Check it out.

Also, in the past, we only knew about Hurricanes/Cyclones when they made landfall/caused signifcant damage or from reports from fishermen/shipping vessels. Now we know about any tropical disturbance that pops up, whether it approaches a populated area..or not. Many could perceive the number of storms as a massive increase from the # of storms in the past, when in reality, there is a good chance that we simply know of more because our technology is so far advanced.

 

[Aiyana]

I haven't seen this cited yet, but of course it is listed at all the right-wing sites.

Held up next to the current panic, it nicely illustrates just how little we know about climate change, and how wrong we probably are at any given time, no matter what we predict!

The Cooling World

 

[imported_motodude]

lol, I thought this movie was a chick flick.

 

[Monotaur]

Originally posted by: motodude
lol, I thought this movie was a chick flick.

LOL, definately not a chick flick. 🙂

If you thought it was and are only scoping out the deal now, you may need to get in on the "Girlfriend pillow" in one of the other threads. 🙂

 

[cdodich]

I for one think global warming is happening.

It is damn hot outside today.
It is much hotter than it was a couple of weeks ago and the weather person on TV is saying that in another month it is going to be even hotter.
There you have it.