Washington Redskins plan to announce name change today, any guesses what it will be?

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Craig234

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I find it pathetic how angry people get (on both sides) over a name of an unimportant team in an unimportant game. But, look above my post to all the posters and you can see which side has the most anger.

We have wars, a bad economy, a deadly virus pandemic, and your anger goes towards a name? What is next, you'll be angry that your Civil War participation trophies are being taken down?

You know, your mother is a whore.

Now, we have wars, a bad economy, and a virus pandemic, so you should not have any anger about such a small thing as that statement. I'm sure you will not have a word to say in her defense. Other problems are no excuse not to solve bigotry issues.
 

gill77

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Like the continent they lived on for thousands of years? Like the culture that was demolished, then made a caricature for entertainment value and military naming conventions?

The irony. It's thick.

Actually, I believe that Native Americans really are on a whole different level when it comes to historical grievances. My two best friends have significant Indian blood (one recently deceased) so I get it.

I just see this push for a name change to be part of a much larger assault across the spectrum of civil society by individuals with no real thought of improving the lives of Native Americans, much less having policy changes that would have that result.

The game almost seems to be to shift the focus to the football field instead of the reservation.
 

dullard

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You know, your mother is a whore.

Now, we have wars, a bad economy, and a virus pandemic, so you should not have any anger about such a small thing as that statement. I'm sure you will not have a word to say in her defense. Other problems are no excuse not to solve bigotry issues.
A high school teacher once told the class that words cannot be offensive. I agree. Go ahead and say whatever you want about my mother.

The name of a group of game players is not the problem to solve. Why not focus on solving the bigotry instead? Why not focus on how the government is letting Native Americans down in just about every way possible, including reneging on just about every deal made? Why not focus on taking away Nation status, destroying culture, rampaging over sacred lands with pipelines, etc? Why not focus on lack of economic opportunities, micromanaging from the federal government, massive delays in legally binding payments (if the payments come at all)? Focusing on the name of a team that hasn't won in decades doesn't solve anything.
 

ondma

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I mean, they were founded and named by a staunch segregationist, so I'd say it's pretty difficult to divorce that from the intent of being offensive. ...in a sense that offense was extremely normal. It wasn't considered as such, being part of the generations long winning/subjugating class, it is simply understood as acceptable.

Doesn't mean that people aren't offended then, or now, all the same.

and again, "all the problems we have now" THAT IS THE SAME FUCKING THING that has been said DOZENS OF TIMES over the last 4+ decades in the movement to change that name. It's fucking "never the right time" for the ownership class to ever engage "the other people" in egalitarianism. You will only ever find another excuse for any damn time the subject comes up.

So get the fuck over it, no one gives a shit, the name will change and you'll move on. All these fake conservatives and white power assholes that take offense at every inch the world changes to be more inclusive aren't going to see a single ounce of their fucking privilege get stripped away, simply as society continues what it always continues to do: progress.
I dont really have to get over anything. Like I said, I *do* think it should be changed.
 
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Actually, I believe that Native Americans really are on a whole different level when it comes to historical grievances. My two best friends have significant Indian blood (one recently deceased) so I get it.

I just see this push for a name change to be part of a much larger assault across the spectrum of civil society by individuals with no real thought of improving the lives of Native Americans, much less having policy changes that would have that result.

The game almost seems to be to shift the focus to the football field instead of the reservation.

Which is precisely what corporate america loves.

$1m donation to black lives matter? No problem! Sews division via basically racial segregation, keeps workers fighting amongst eachother instead of uniting together - and bonus points because you get media attention because you supposedly did something virtuously good.

In the end, it does nothing. Fixes no problems. Jobs continue to be shit as they continue to be off-loaded to 3rd-world countries..... and the status quo remains the same.

Increasing workers rights? Increasing minimum wage? Nawww dude. Let's worry about inanimate objects and team-names.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Actually, I believe that Native Americans really are on a whole different level when it comes to historical grievances. My two best friends have significant Indian blood (one recently deceased) so I get it.

I just see this push for a name change to be part of a much larger assault across the spectrum of civil society by individuals with no real thought of improving the lives of Native Americans, much less having policy changes that would have that result.

The game almost seems to be to shift the focus to the football field instead of the reservation.
Do not let perfection be the enemy of good. I'm sure when theaters and movies were abandoning blackface decades ago, there were detractors stating that this wasn't focusing on the 'real problem' as well. But a multi-faceted problem requires a multi-faceted solution, and I see eliminating racist caricatures to be a step in the right direction.
 

zinfamous

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I'm not really a Skins fan, but there have been a bunch of them. They have been around for almost a century and have played 1,000 games. Generations have lived and died enjoying their favorite football team and probably given much more thought to first downs than bows and arrows.

If a minority can force arbitrary change to an institution that has been around for a third of our country's existence, they might not just stop there. They may want to start censoring people or even tear down statutes.

Some day they may come after something that has more significance to you than somebody else's football team.

lament lament the fate of the poor, poor Washington Bullets!

oh right, you already don't remember that, I guess and you also probably don't care.

amazing how that works with time.
 

zinfamous

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Which is precisely what corporate america loves.

$1m donation to black lives matter? No problem! Sews division via basically racial segregation, keeps workers fighting amongst eachother instead of uniting together - and bonus points because you get media attention because you supposedly did something virtuously good.

explain how BLM accomplishes nothing good. This will be fun


In the end, it does nothing. Fixes no problems. Jobs continue to be shit as they continue to be off-loaded to 3rd-world countries..... and the status quo remains the same.

Increasing workers rights? Increasing minimum wage? Nawww dude. Let's worry about inanimate objects and team-names.

again, explain, with data and not personal feels and "the way that you wish things to be," that you can measure how none of this is really worth it. Show us.

second, since when are you worried about workers rights and minimum wage? lol---you must be effing kidding me. NOW you want to try and demand that people focus on minimum wage? wtf man, go [pleasure yourself thoroughly] with that self-hating nonsense that you honestly do not believe. :D

keep voting the way that you do and also getting angry about everyone else for not doing the things, in your singular mind, that they should be doing to effect actual change. it's like you just seek rage wherever you can find it. latch on to it and toss it around like a pitbull, turn it into a cudgel against any sensible logic, argument, and even policy. I honestly believe that you don't believe in anything.

lol--somehow, all those years of liberals bitching about "workers rights and minimum wage" and in your brain "never offering a solution THAT I LIKE!" all somehow, disappears, like it never existed, because your tunnel brain has now tethered onto yet another issue that stokes your rage centers. Look man--just because YOU can only focus on one thing at a time to get angry about, doesn't mean that everyone else (that are making you angry) aren't actually working on all of these things at the same time.

"We can do multiple things at once." Why don't you get that? Or do you just make godawful terrible arguments that absolutely have to assume that is true, for anyone to defend this argument, and yet you are incapable of appreciating that central flaw in your argument?
 
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Craig234

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A high school teacher once told the class that words cannot be offensive. I agree. Go ahead and say whatever you want about my mother.

Unsurprisingly, you missed the point, and I disagree with your teacher. There's a reason why slurs are created. Meaning of words goes deep - why do you think a *biological* condition, Touret's, can result in people having involuntary use of certain words, profanity, as one symptom?

The name of a group of game players is not the problem to solve. Why not focus on solving the bigotry instead?

Because the name comes from a time when the contempt for Native Americans was huge, and since we have grown out of treating people that way - most of us have - we realize it's time to stop using the old name that shows that contempt. You're trying to pit substantive reform against cultural reform, and the answer is to do both.
 
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shortylickens

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I think all humans should try to get along better.
If words actually hurt you the real world is gonna kill you.
 

gill77

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lament lament the fate of the poor, poor Washington Bullets!

oh right, you already don't remember that, I guess and you also probably don't care.

amazing how that works with time.

No lamenting here. I remember watching Wes Unseld and the Washington Bullets. They won lots of titles and one championship. The Wizards not so much.

The owner was motivated by the shooting of his friend to change the name. Franchise names change for a variety of reasons.

You're right about one thing, I did not remember. It was an inconsequential name change a quarter of a century ago, but events fading in memory with the passage of time do not alter the integrity of a decision for better or for worse.
 

ultimatebob

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I wonder when Native Americans are going to protest the naming of the Dallas Cowboys next, their mortal enemy from childhood games of yore ;)

While we're at it, lets get Greenpeace to protest the naming of the San Francisco 49ers as well, whose name obviously glorifies the planet destroying practice of gold mining!

Knowing San Francisco, that one might actually happen someday. We just need a big gold mining accident to further politicize the issue first. Maybe they can call themselves the San Francisco Tech Bros instead... nah, too sexist :)
 
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GrumpyMan

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Since all politicians always want to "clean out the swamp" when they get elected and go to Washington maybe they could be called the Washington Swamp Rats?