Washington Post today: Government Lied about 9/11

Votingisanillusion

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This thread will be left open for now. For lock info, please see the last post

Immediately, you get a couple of weeks off for your topic summary and breaking the guidelines


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new
The Washington Post has a story today about how the Government lied about the military response to 9/11 (free subscription required). The story is also covered by Raw Story:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Repor...11_Commission_members_mulled_0802.html

<< Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.

Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources.

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"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

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"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

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John F. Lehman, a Republican commission member and former Navy secretary, said in a recent interview that he believed the panel may have been lied to but that he did not believe the evidence was sufficient to support a criminal referral.

"My view of that was that whether it was willful or just the fog of stupid bureaucracy, I don't know," Lehman said. "But in the order of magnitude of things, going after bureaucrats because they misled the commission didn't seem to make sense to me." >>

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The following is not in the Washington Post article but a figmant of the OP overworked imagination. He has attempted to merge fact (the Post article) with tin foil theory.

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Exactly what many people have been saying all along: the Standard Operating Procedure was not followed on 9/11, NORAD lied and was forced to stand-down by Cheney (who was in control) and Rumsfeld who organized wargames that mobilized many planes that day, and put many virtual hijacked planes on the screens of the FAA to confuse them (NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time).

Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11.

The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion

Exactly what many people have been saying all along: the Standard Operating Procedure was not followed on 9/11, NORAD lied and was forced to stand-down by Cheney (who was in control) and Rumsfeld who organized wargames that mobilized many planes that day, and put many virtual hijacked planes on the screens of the FAA to confuse them (NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time).

Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11.

The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm


I'm confused... where does The Smoking Man fit into all this? [/X-Files]
 

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The Neocon agenda is crumbling as the 9-11 Government propaganda crumbles.

C-Span has been airing for instance Webster Tarpley's 9-11 evidence of a Government coverup as well as many others lately. This is C-Span! Seen by tens of millions of Americans all across the Country! C-Spans rating go way up when they air this material that's why. This issue is fast becoming understandable to everyone because of the excellent work done by people like Webster Tarpley. Who documents everything he says.

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/_Tarpley_/Cloak_tarpleyjul.30.mp3

In Germany for instance, the documentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change has become the most watched television documentary in their history. Also that documentary is the most popular ever Worldwide, thanks to the internet.

The momentum is making these documentaries and discussions the most popular on television and radio.

What's almost funny, is watching the sleazy media whores like Hannity and Oreilly squirm and waffle these days. As the Neocon house of cards falls.

What will be even more profound, is the reaction from the sleazy Religious Opportunists and Hucksters like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
 

EagleKeeper

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Funny,

The Post article states that the government had a typical clust fvck in the response and twisted the testimony to cover it up.

The commission felt that some of the testimony was willful "perjury" and referred the statements to the inspectdor generat for the DOT for futher followup.

The "lies" have to do with the government response and how badly they reacted.

Your links at the bottom are a regurgation of the stand trivia attention getting stuff that you like to post.

Now if the Washington Post article actually validated any of the junk that your bottom links claim; then it might be news worthy.

Given that the Mods gave you a vacation; use that time to find credible evidence via main stream sources/investigators that will justify wasting peoples time here.
 

Worlocked

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Weeks long ban for his topic summary? Anandtech mod is officially the most moronic mod ever. Yes that encompasses the entire internet, congrats. I've seen little twelve year olds running counter strike serves with more restraint than you. "LOLBAN I AM SO AWESOME, PH34R... Loser." Yeah I'll take my ban happily, I post here twice a year.

You think your witty with your snide comments followed by "LOLBAN I AM SO COOL". Guess what? You're not. You are an asshat that someone foolishly gave admin access to a patheticly mediocre nerd circle jerk forum. Yeah, you are so impressive. :roll:

And your favoritism is not even subtle... dmcowen674 could drop a 47 page long N bomb and get away with it, while the OP of this topic gets a multi week long ban for the tamest "violation" you could possible conjur... Can you say loser? I can. L-O-S-E-R.

Why did I post this? Because your snotty, snide comments burn my ass proper. You flame and troll while banning people for much lesser actions. Grow the **** up. Maybe one day you can prop yourself up onto the patheticly low pedestel that the 12 year old douchebag counter-strike server running, pimple faced high school rejects can.

I know you will delete this truth filled post to save face - I wouldn't bother though. Every one who isn't your pet knows how much of a moron you are.

Have a nice day. :laugh:

You have a PM
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shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: amish
Originally posted by: Worlocked
Have a nice day. :laugh:

have a nice ban. :laugh:


Since he didn't do anything wrong, I think you are just trying to feel part of a "powerful group" and to look down upon another in an attempt to feel powerful/kewl. Pathetic.
 

M00T

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I was going to comment, but this thread is probably going to be deleted anyway.
 

MIDIman

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Originally posted by: Worlocked
Grow the **** up.

LOL - seriously dude, look who's talking. why do you even bother spending time here? If you don't like what the mods do, then leave. Its not like you paid for this service or something.


Pertaining to the OP's post, I'm also a bit perplexed at what the point of the article is. No proof is shown, and no one took any action beyond making some admin-bashing reports (Oh, but thet *almost* did.... :disgust: ). It just seems conspicuously one-sided, and following up with bush-bashing poop doesn't exactly help your argument.
 

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This is just a followup from the OP, due to the fact, he took a P&N topic and posted it in Off Topic, in the hopes that it wouldn't get locked..
Its up to about 8 pages now
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Worlocked
Weeks long ban for his topic summary? Anandtech mod is officially the most moronic mod ever. Yes that encompasses the entire internet, congrats. I've seen little twelve year olds running counter strike serves with more restraint than you. "LOLBAN I AM SO AWESOME, PH34R... Loser." Yeah I'll take my ban happily, I post here twice a year.

You think your witty with your snide comments followed by "LOLBAN I AM SO COOL". Guess what? You're not. You are an asshat that someone foolishly gave admin access to a patheticly mediocre nerd circle jerk forum. Yeah, you are so impressive. :roll:

And your favoritism is not even subtle... dmcowen674 could drop a 47 page long N bomb and get away with it, while the OP of this topic gets a multi week long ban for the tamest "violation" you could possible conjur... Can you say loser? I can. L-O-S-E-R.

Why did I post this? Because your snotty, snide comments burn my ass proper. You flame and troll while banning people for much lesser actions. Grow the **** up. Maybe one day you can prop yourself up onto the patheticly low pedestel that the 12 year old douchebag counter-strike server running, pimple faced high school rejects can.

I know you will delete this truth filled post to save face - I wouldn't bother though. Every one who isn't your pet knows how much of a moron you are.

Have a nice day. :laugh:

*runs from the incoming lightning bolts*

I for one am glad the MODs are laying the smack down on the conspiracy theorists... good riddance
 

amish

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: amish
Originally posted by: Worlocked
Have a nice day. :laugh:

have a nice ban. :laugh:


Since he didn't do anything wrong, I think you are just trying to feel part of a "powerful group" and to look down upon another in an attempt to feel powerful/kewl. Pathetic.

nice to know that's how you think, too bad you're wrong. the mods don't take kindly to callouts. we all saw the purge of...that one guy (who's name slips my mind, he was really popular too). i just said what most were thinking. but, i'm glad to know that you think i'm pathetic. :thumbsup::)
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Worlocked
Weeks long ban for his topic summary? Anandtech mod is officially the most moronic mod ever. Yes that encompasses the entire internet, congrats. I've seen little twelve year olds running counter strike serves with more restraint than you. "LOLBAN I AM SO AWESOME, PH34R... Loser." Yeah I'll take my ban happily, I post here twice a year.

You think your witty with your snide comments followed by "LOLBAN I AM SO COOL". Guess what? You're not. You are an asshat that someone foolishly gave admin access to a patheticly mediocre nerd circle jerk forum. Yeah, you are so impressive. :roll:

And your favoritism is not even subtle... dmcowen674 could drop a 47 page long N bomb and get away with it, while the OP of this topic gets a multi week long ban for the tamest "violation" you could possible conjur... Can you say loser? I can. L-O-S-E-R.

Why did I post this? Because your snotty, snide comments burn my ass proper. You flame and troll while banning people for much lesser actions. Grow the **** up. Maybe one day you can prop yourself up onto the patheticly low pedestel that the 12 year old douchebag counter-strike server running, pimple faced high school rejects can.

I know you will delete this truth filled post to save face - I wouldn't bother though. Every one who isn't your pet knows how much of a moron you are.

Have a nice day. :laugh:


Just so you know, I am pretty sure there are more than one person who can log into the MOD account and do the dirty work of which you speak. Some are Left leaning, some are Right leaning, and some are just overzealous power tripping fools like you mention.
 
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Originally posted by: Worlocked
Weeks long ban for his topic summary? Anandtech mod is officially the most moronic mod ever. Yes that encompasses the entire internet, congrats. I've seen little twelve year olds running counter strike serves with more restraint than you. "LOLBAN I AM SO AWESOME, PH34R... Loser." Yeah I'll take my ban happily, I post here twice a year.

You think your witty with your snide comments followed by "LOLBAN I AM SO COOL". Guess what? You're not. You are an asshat that someone foolishly gave admin access to a patheticly mediocre nerd circle jerk forum. Yeah, you are so impressive. :roll:

And your favoritism is not even subtle... dmcowen674 could drop a 47 page long N bomb and get away with it, while the OP of this topic gets a multi week long ban for the tamest "violation" you could possible conjur... Can you say loser? I can. L-O-S-E-R.

Why did I post this? Because your snotty, snide comments burn my ass proper. You flame and troll while banning people for much lesser actions. Grow the **** up. Maybe one day you can prop yourself up onto the patheticly low pedestel that the 12 year old douchebag counter-strike server running, pimple faced high school rejects can.

I know you will delete this truth filled post to save face - I wouldn't bother though. Every one who isn't your pet knows how much of a moron you are.

Have a nice day. :laugh:


I gather you posted this knowing it would likely get you vacationed or banned. With the understanding that I'm risking the same fate, I have a couple of comments.

For the most part I think the AT mods do a good job, and I readily acknowledge that they face a variety of weird, challenging decisions just about every day. That being said, I think it's arbitrary and probably unwise for them to vacation or ban people everytime they say ANYTHING that in any way reflects a concern about the fairness of the mods' decisions. It appears to me the topic summary in this case was not meant as an attack on the mods at all - it was just a bit of lobbying for allowing yet another 9/11 thread to stay open. I don't see why the OP warrants a vacation at all, particularly given the long leash given to other members of this board.

In any case, as I said, I understand the mods have a hard task much of the time, and appreciate their service.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Doboji
*runs from the incoming lightning bolts*

I for one am glad the MODs are laying the smack down on the conspiracy theorists... good riddance
Any chance you read the Washington Post article linked in the OP? Didn't think so, you just like to gratutiously attack anyone you disagree with.

I do think it's unfortunate this thread is also headed towards a lock due to the over-the-top attacks on the mods. I frankly don't understand why 9/11 has become such a taboo subject here, but it is what it is. As someone else noted, if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

I wish we could discuss the many valid questions and inconsistencies surrounding the official government line on 9/11. While I don't buy most of the extremist theories, e.g., WTC 1 and 2 were brought down with demolition charges, I also don't think we've been given a straight story by Uncle Sam. I'm sure much of it is typical bureaucratic ass-covering, but even that is a valid topic for discussion IMHO. There are other valid questions that don't fit so readily into the CYA bucket, however. For example, I do think there is more to the story of how/why WTC 7 collapsed. The official story just doesn't make sense (WTC 1 and 2 suffered substantial structural damage that amplified the effects of the fires; WTC 7 did not). What was the significance of Mineta's testimony, and why was it apparently ignored? Why did so many Pentagon brass cancel their 9/11 flights the day before? I'd like to know more.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Doboji
*runs from the incoming lightning bolts*

I for one am glad the MODs are laying the smack down on the conspiracy theorists... good riddance
Any chance you read the Washington Post article linked in the OP? Didn't think so, you just like to gratutiously attack anyone you disagree with.

I do think it's unfortunate this thread is also headed towards a lock due to the over-the-top attacks on the mods. I frankly don't understand why 9/11 has become such a taboo subject here, but it is what it is. As someone else noted, if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

I wish we could discuss the many valid questions and inconsistencies surrounding the official government line on 9/11. While I don't buy most of the extremist theories, e.g., WTC 1 and 2 were brought down with demolition charges, I also don't think we've been given a straight story by Uncle Sam. I'm sure much of it is typical bureaucratic ass-covering, but even that is a valid topic for discussion IMHO. There are other valid questions that don't fit so readily into the CYA bucket, however. For example, I do think there is more to the story of how/why WTC 7 collapsed. The official story just doesn't make sense (WTC 1 and 2 suffered substantial structural damage that amplified the effects of the fires; WTC 7 did not). What was the significance of Mineta's testimony, and why was it apparently ignored? Why did so many Pentagon brass cancel their 9/11 flights the day before? I'd like to know more.

To me it's all about motivation... was this thread really about reporting on a discrepency i n the official account of 911... or was this thread really about drumming up support that the government lied and was behind 911... I would suggest it was the latter. And I for one am SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense... I'm sure there are plenty of actual real life organizations out there investigating what happened that day... and I really don't think a bunch of pimply faced youths on a message board speculating are EVER going to get to the bottom of it.

Unfortunately though we have trolls like the OP who are CONVINCED of the government's guilt without any evidence, and are scouring the web everyday looking for any shred of suggestion that their completely unfounded beliefs are true. And next thing you know they're posting their drivel here at AT... I think it's an utter waste of time, and I applaud the MODs for discouraging it.

-Max

 

CHOPPER GOD

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Serious Question......Are we not to post 9-11 conspiricy theories here?
AND the washington post link doesnt work anymore....interesting

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There is one thread in OT for the conspiracy theories. FACTUAL threads are welcome here in P&N

The OP was warned multiple times to keep those type of theories there in OT.
He was also informed that starting another would generate a vacation.

This thread was twisted deliberately to support his tin-foil.

He could have stayed with the top half of his post. He chose to cross the line and now gets what is in door #2.

Anandtech Moderator

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Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Doboji
To me it's all about motivation... was this thread really about reporting on a discrepency i n the official account of 911... or was this thread really about drumming up support that the government lied and was behind 911... I would suggest it was the latter. And I for one am SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense... I'm sure there are plenty of actual real life organizations out there investigating what happened that day... and I really don't think a bunch of pimply faced youths on a message board speculating are EVER going to get to the bottom of it.

Unfortunately though we have trolls like the OP who are CONVINCED of the government's guilt without any evidence, and are scouring the web everyday looking for any shred of suggestion that their completely unfounded beliefs are true. And next thing you know they're posting their drivel here at AT... I think it's an utter waste of time, and I applaud the MODs for discouraging it.

-Max
Whereas I saw the primary purpose of the OP to be trumpeting the fact that we finally have a mainstream media site acknowledging some government dishonesty in their reports about 9/11. Yes, he has been actively pushing some of the more extreme theories and allegations, but so what? If you are truly so "SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense", ignore the threads. Exercise your power of choice and read something else. In my book, you are just like those who call for the government to censor television for everyone just because they're too lazy to change the channel.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Doboji
To me it's all about motivation... was this thread really about reporting on a discrepency i n the official account of 911... or was this thread really about drumming up support that the government lied and was behind 911... I would suggest it was the latter. And I for one am SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense... I'm sure there are plenty of actual real life organizations out there investigating what happened that day... and I really don't think a bunch of pimply faced youths on a message board speculating are EVER going to get to the bottom of it.

Unfortunately though we have trolls like the OP who are CONVINCED of the government's guilt without any evidence, and are scouring the web everyday looking for any shred of suggestion that their completely unfounded beliefs are true. And next thing you know they're posting their drivel here at AT... I think it's an utter waste of time, and I applaud the MODs for discouraging it.

-Max
Whereas I saw the primary purpose of the OP to be trumpeting the fact that we finally have a mainstream media site acknowledging some government dishonesty in their reports about 9/11. Yes, he has been actively pushing some of the more extreme theories and allegations, but so what? If you are truly so "SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense", ignore the threads. Exercise your power of choice and read something else. In my book, you are just like those who call for the government to censor television for everyone just because they're too lazy to change the channel.

After a few Bans myself I have learned the most important lesson anyone can learn about these message boards:

This is NOT the government.
This is NOT a democratic society
This is AT Forums... you do NOT have the right to post anything you want, there are rules you have to obey.. and in the long run you will learn that these rules are for the betterment of the entire community here... even when you're on the end of the Banstick and don't agree all the time.

-Max
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Whereas I saw the primary purpose of the OP to be trumpeting the fact that we finally have a mainstream media site acknowledging some government dishonesty in their reports about 9/11. Yes, he has been actively pushing some of the more extreme theories and allegations, but so what? If you are truly so "SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense", ignore the threads. Exercise your power of choice and read something else. In my book, you are just like those who call for the government to censor television for everyone just because they're too lazy to change the channel.
After a few Bans myself I have learned the most important lesson anyone can learn about these message boards:

This is NOT the government.
This is NOT a democratic society
This is AT Forums... you do NOT have the right to post anything you want, there are rules you have to obey.. and in the long run you will learn that these rules are for the betterment of the entire community here... even when you're on the end of the Banstick and don't agree all the time.

-Max
Absolutely, but that has nothing to do with my point. If you are so "SICK and TIRED of hearing about this nonsense", take some responsibility for your own reading choices instead of expecting the moderators to censor them. No one is forcing you or anyone else to read these reads. You made a choice; live with it or make a different choice. That's my point.

It's a wholly separate issue from whether the mods will allow 9/11 threads or not. If not, so be it. It's their sandbox and we're all just guests.
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: Doboji
I for one am glad the MODs are laying the smack down on the conspiracy theorists... good riddance

I'm not sure what's worse, the conspiracy theorist, or the Internet tough guys. You know the type, their solution is 'killem all' for every problem and they argue by calling people terrorist lovers or traitors if they cannot gather a logical thought. You know that I mean Official Lieutenant of The Amused Fsck Off and Die Club?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CHOPPER GOD
Serious Question......Are we not to post 9-11 conspiricy theories here?
AND the washington post link doesnt work anymore....interesting
Here's a new link: 9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon

I found it by searching on "sept 11 panel" (in case it moves again).


Edit: In fact, here's the whole text:
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
Allegations Brought to Inspectors General

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006; A03


Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.

Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said.

In the end, the panel agreed to a compromise, turning over the allegations to the inspectors general for the Defense and Transportation departments, who can make criminal referrals if they believe they are warranted, officials said.

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

Although the commission's landmark report made it clear that the Defense Department's early versions of events on the day of the attacks were inaccurate, the revelation that it considered criminal referrals reveals how skeptically those reports were viewed by the panel and provides a glimpse of the tension between it and the Bush administration.

A Pentagon spokesman said yesterday that the inspector general's office will soon release a report addressing whether testimony delivered to the commission was "knowingly false." A separate report, delivered secretly to Congress in May 2005, blamed inaccuracies in part on problems with the way the Defense Department kept its records, according to a summary released yesterday.

A spokesman for the Transportation Department's inspector general's office said its investigation is complete and that a final report is being drafted. Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said she could not comment on the inspector general's inquiry.

In an article scheduled to be on newsstands today, Vanity Fair magazine reports aspects of the commission debate -- though it does not mention the possible criminal referrals -- and publishes lengthy excerpts from military audiotapes recorded on Sept. 11. ABC News aired excerpts last night.

For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington.

In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col. Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at 9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not hijacked until 12 minutes later. The military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.

These and other discrepancies did not become clear until the commission, forced to use subpoenas, obtained audiotapes from the FAA and NORAD, officials said. The agencies' reluctance to release the tapes -- along with e-mails, erroneous public statements and other evidence -- led some of the panel's staff members and commissioners to believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on Sept. 11.

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

Arnold, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, told the commission in 2004 that he did not have all the information unearthed by the panel when he testified earlier. Other military officials also denied any intent to mislead the panel.

John F. Lehman, a Republican commission member and former Navy secretary, said in a recent interview that he believed the panel may have been lied to but that he did not believe the evidence was sufficient to support a criminal referral.

"My view of that was that whether it was willful or just the fog of stupid bureaucracy, I don't know," Lehman said. "But in the order of magnitude of things, going after bureaucrats because they misled the commission didn't seem to make sense to me."
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Doboji
I for one am glad the MODs are laying the smack down on the conspiracy theorists... good riddance

I'm not sure what's worse, the conspiracy theorist, or the Internet tough guys. You know the type, their solution is 'killem all' for every problem and they argue by calling people terrorist lovers or traitors if they cannot gather a logical thought. You know that I mean Official Lieutenant of The Amused Fsck Off and Die Club?

HAHAHAHAHA what kind of IDIOT would do THAT... god WHAT a MORON!!!.... oh... wait a second.