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Zaap

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Riiiiiight you've never seen anyone wear a che T-shirt.
Tell us another one.
 

agent00f

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I don't know, how is it US liberals walk around with dictators images, who subscribed to maoism and think nothing of it? Willful ignorance? Is that an excuse?

You just don't know how symbolism works. For example, there are plenty who see the american founders favorably yet presumably don't support slavery.
 

retrospooty

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You just don't know how symbolism works. For example, there are plenty who see the american founders favorably yet presumably don't support slavery.

I think he does know how symbolism works, he is clearly trying to create a false one on US liberals. What he doesnt know is how to make it work for him ... If he wasn't such a doctor murdering, racist, homophobic conservative I might help him out. ;)
 
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agent00f

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There's a pretty popular narrative that colonialism was better for the third world. You might recall the US eventually fighting a war in indochina to salvage a french colony.
 

Zaap

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I think he does know how symbolism works, he is clearly trying to create a false one on US liberals. What he doesnt know is how to make it work for him ... If he wasn't such a doctor murdering, racist, homophobic conservative I might help him out. ;)
Lol! So now it's just 'symbolism'. Right, free pass I suppose if someone walked around in a Joseph Goebels T-shirt, right? Free pass for a right wing political group founded based on praise for and following murderous regimes responsible for the deaths of millions, right?

Its funny how when leftists do EXACTLY THAT, you always want a free pass. Suddenly its off limits to point out left and right. Suddenly its boo hoo no fair. Suddenly ignorance is an excuse. Suddenly its all just harmless symbolism and no one knew what any of it meant. (This from people who lose their collective shit over flags and *anything* many of them even in slme retarded way just *emote* as racist or offensive. See suing over 'Don't Tread on Me' as but one of countless examples.)

But leftwingers wearing the images of, forming groups based on the following of, and spouting the horskshit propaganda of brutal tyranical regimes? "Free pass! Ignorance is an excuse! Just symbolism!! Stop saying there's a left!!! Boooooo hoooo unfair!!"

In the next thread half the leftloons in this forum will be calling someone they disagree with a Nazi (people who would never be caught dead in reality anywhere near anything to do with actual nazis) while whining foul at anyone pointing out the left's ACTUAL history of being tools for totalitarian regimes- and plenty of them walking around with icons of it.
 

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Lol! So now it's just 'symbolism'. Right, free pass I suppose if someone walked around in a Joseph Goebels T-shirt, right? Free pass for a right wing political group founded based on praise for and following murderous regimes responsible for the deaths of millions, right?

Its funny how when leftists do EXACTLY THAT, you always want a free pass. Suddenly its off limits to point out left and right. Suddenly its boo hoo no fair. Suddenly ignorance is an excuse. Suddenly its all just harmless symbolism and no one knew what any of it meant. (This from people who lose their collective shit over flags and *anything* many of them even in slme retarded way just *emote* as racist or offensive. See suing over 'Don't Tread on Me' as but one of countless examples.)

But leftwingers wearing the images of, forming groups based on the following of, and spouting the horskshit propaganda of brutal tyranical regimes? "Free pass! Ignorance is an excuse! Just symbolism!! Stop saying there's a left!!! Boooooo hoooo unfair!!"

In the next thread half the leftloons in this forum will be calling someone they disagree with a Nazi (people who would never be caught dead in reality anywhere near anything to do with actual nazis) while whining foul at anyone pointing out the left's ACTUAL history of being tools for totalitarian regimes- and plenty of them walking around with icons of it.

What are you not getting here? You are using examples of a few extremists and applying it to the masses. Stop being such a partisaned tool. Funny you say "In the next thread half the leftloons in this forum will be calling someone they disagree with a Nazi" yet you seem to be doing the same thing, only using Maoist as a generalization. US liberals are no more Maoist than US conservatives are doctor murdering racists. Yes, a small # are on both sides, that does not equate in any way to the 99%er's.
 

Zaap

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What are you not getting here? You are using examples of a few extremists and applying it to the masses. Stop being such a partisaned tool. Funny you say "In the next thread half the leftloons in this forum will be calling someone they disagree with a Nazi" yet you seem to be doing the same thing, only using Maoist as a generalization. US liberals are no more Maoist than US conservatives are doctor murdering racists. Yes, a small # are on both sides, that does not equate in any way to the 99%er's.
So once again, the excuse is ignorance and "just give it a pass!"

Truth is, leftwingers far more often subscribe to shitty political systems (Marxism, Communism, Maoism, Leninism, socialism as practiced by shitty regimes etc). and kiss the asses of totalitarian thugs (Castro, Che, Hugo Chavez, etc.) and it's far more mainstream to do so, than anyone on the right actually embraces crap like Nazism. The best 7 hours of Steven Speilberg's life were spent with none other than Fidel Castro, according to him! Is there a crazy dictator a nut like Sean Penn HASN'T been a complete tool for? Those are just high profile left-tools.

No one in the mainstream right fawns over totalitarian regimes the way the left does.

Once more, you simply can't own up to it.
 

HamburgerBoy

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tbh I'm right-wing and I respect totalitarians like Pinochet and Lee Kuan Yew to varying degrees (and I know there's at least one right-leaning guy here with a Pinochet avatar). Then again I also respect Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro when considering their goals and their predecessors. Not all commies are equally bad. Not even all violent revolutions are equally bad.
 

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So once again, the excuse is ignorance and "just give it a pass!"

Truth is, leftwingers far more often subscribe to shitty political systems (Marxism, Communism, Maoism, Leninism, socialism as practiced by shitty regimes etc). and kiss the asses of totalitarian thugs (Castro, Che, Hugo Chavez, etc.) and it's far more mainstream to do so, than anyone on the right actually embraces crap like Nazism. The best 7 hours of Steven Speilberg's life were spent with none other than Fidel Castro, according to him! Is there a crazy dictator a nut like Sean Penn HASN'T been a complete tool for? Those are just high profile left-tools.

No one in the mainstream right fawns over totalitarian regimes the way the left does.

Once more, you simply can't own up to it.

First off, I am not a "leftwinger" - I have nothing to own up to, I am registered independent. I make up my own mind on issues, and I care absolutely zero for either party stance on anything and I care even less for their mindless partisanship... I was just pointing out the extreme bias in your comment and how you are taking a few extremist viewpoints and applying it to the masses. You are being intellectually dishonest when you say the "US liberals" follow Mao. They do not follow Mao, Castro, Che, or Chavez, other than maybe a few extremists, and I mean very few. You want a counterpoint, as you mentioned there are many Americans that tout skinhead values and literally worship Hitler, and they vote hard conservative republican every single time... There are FAR more of those nut-jobs than there are liberals for Mao or the other dictators, they even organize and have meetings and parades and political lobbies FFS! But that doesn't mean all conservatives or republicans tout those values. For you to say that is straight up manipulative, and you cant seem to own up to that.
 
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Lol! So now it's just 'symbolism'. Right, free pass I suppose if someone walked around in a Joseph Goebels T-shirt, right? Free pass for a right wing political group founded based on praise for and following murderous regimes responsible for the deaths of millions, right?

Its funny how when leftists do EXACTLY THAT, you always want a free pass. Suddenly its off limits to point out left and right. Suddenly its boo hoo no fair. Suddenly ignorance is an excuse. Suddenly its all just harmless symbolism and no one knew what any of it meant. (This from people who lose their collective shit over flags and *anything* many of them even in slme retarded way just *emote* as racist or offensive. See suing over 'Don't Tread on Me' as but one of countless examples.)

But leftwingers wearing the images of, forming groups based on the following of, and spouting the horskshit propaganda of brutal tyranical regimes? "Free pass! Ignorance is an excuse! Just symbolism!! Stop saying there's a left!!! Boooooo hoooo unfair!!"

In the next thread half the leftloons in this forum will be calling someone they disagree with a Nazi (people who would never be caught dead in reality anywhere near anything to do with actual nazis) while whining foul at anyone pointing out the left's ACTUAL history of being tools for totalitarian regimes- and plenty of them walking around with icons of it.

Since you're still having a lot of trouble here, let's briefly explain how symbolism works. The american founding fathers mentioned represent for many the overthrow of colonialism, in much the same way that Che does. The many people through the years who might've been wronged by america might not see them in the same way, but that's not what the symbolic representation is meant to portray.

You might not like Che for whatever reason, presumably ideological, and that's fine, but it's important to first understand what's going on before mouthing off.
 

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First off, I am not a "leftwinger" - I have nothing to own up to, I am registered independent. I make up my own mind on issues, and I care absolutely zero for either party stance on anything and I care even less for their mindless partisanship... I was just pointing out the extreme bias in your comment and how you are taking a few extremist viewpoints and applying it to the masses. You are being intellectually dishonest when you say the "US liberals" follow Mao. They do not follow Mao, Castro, Che, or Chavez, other than maybe a few extremists, and I mean very few. You want a counterpoint, as you mentioned there are many Americans that tout skinhead values and literally worship Hitler, and they vote hard conservative republican every single time... There are FAR more of those nut-jobs than there are liberals for Mao or the other dictators, they even organize and have meetings and parades and political lobbies FFS! But that doesn't mean all conservatives or republicans tout those values. For you to say that is straight up manipulative, and you cant seem to own up to that.

Are you saying that there are no organized communist groups in the USA? They're small, but so are neo-Nazi groups. I haven't seen anything indicating one as more prevalent than the other. Left-wing terrorists committed the majority of political violence in the 60s and 70s, for example, although both are pretty negligible today.
 

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You are being intellectually dishonest when you say the "US liberals" follow Mao. They do not follow Mao, Castro, Che, or Chavez, other than maybe a few extremists,
Steven Speilberg is an extremist? A bunch of Democrats in congress who've gone down and groveled at the feet of Fidel Castro are extremists? You're seriously floating that such people mirror neo-nazis on the right side of the scale when it comes to mainstream social acceptance? Got any other laughs?

Once more, it's far more common for leftwingers to be tools for totalitarian regimes than their counterparts on the right. Leftists have simply once again dumbed things down, where groveling before Fidel Castro is just 'symbolism' or "Oh, I didn't know he was a tyrant!" or whatever other lame excuse, therefore= free pass. It just doesn't fly.

Wearing a t-shirt with a communist thug on it and claiming ignorance excuses you from being a tool, is just as silly as wearing a t-shirt of some nazi henchman and claiming ignorance would be. The difference is, anyone who actually would wear nazi imagary and symbols around doesn't claim ignorance of it- they're wackos. Liberals wear the thugs of the left around, and just want a pass for being STUPID as a box of shit as to what those symbols really stand for- let alone be labeled extremists in the same vein as neo-nazis. I just don't buy the ignorance argument. Plenty of leftists fawn over Castro and Che- Hollywood makes fawning movies about them. You can find lefties claiming to be marxists, communists etc. just about anywhere. The excuse is just supposed to be they're too ignorant to know they're being tools for totalitarian regimes, ideologies, and personalities? Well, there is the term useful idiot for a reason!
 

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Steven Speilberg is an extremist? A bunch of Democrats in congress who've gone down and groveled at the feet of Fidel Castro are extremists? You're seriously floating that such people mirror neo-nazis on the right side of the scale when it comes to mainstream social acceptance? Got any other laughs?

Once more, it's far more common for leftwingers to be tools for totalitarian regimes than their counterparts on the right. Leftists have simply once again dumbed things down, where groveling before Fidel Castro is just 'symbolism' or "Oh, I didn't know he was a tyrant!" or whatever other lame excuse, therefore= free pass. It just doesn't fly.

Wearing a t-shirt with a communist thug on it and claiming ignorance excuses you from being a tool, is just as silly as wearing a t-shirt of some nazi henchman and claiming ignorance would be. The difference is, anyone who actually would wear nazi imagary and symbols around doesn't claim ignorance of it- they're wackos. Liberals wear the thugs of the left around, and just want a pass for being STUPID as a box of shit as to what those symbols really stand for- let alone be labeled extremists in the same vein as neo-nazis. I just don't buy the ignorance argument. Plenty of leftists fawn over Castro and Che- Hollywood makes fawning movies about them. You can find lefties claiming to be marxists, communists etc. just about anywhere. The excuse is just supposed to be they're too ignorant to know they're being tools for totalitarian regimes, ideologies, and personalities? Well, there is the term useful idiot for a reason!

I wont even get into "groveling at the feet of Castro" because that is just ridiculous, so I will just address the main point. Do I need to say is slower so that you can grasp it? I cant do that online, so you need to read it really slow. The. views. of. a. few. extremists. do. not. represent. the . views. of. the. masses.

Get it? How much simpler can this be? Like I said, you are either being intellectually dishonest and deliberately manipulative or you are just plain stupid. I suspect you are not stupid, just being a manipulative tool.
 

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Are you saying that there are no organized communist groups in the USA? They're small, but so are neo-Nazi groups. I haven't seen anything indicating one as more prevalent than the other. Left-wing terrorists committed the majority of political violence in the 60s and 70s, for example, although both are pretty negligible today.

Nope, not at all the point, not even close... I am saying the views of a small # of extremists do not represent the views of the masses. US liberals follow Mao/Castro about as much as US Conservatives follow Nazi's/ Hitler - both very little, only a few extremists on the far far left and far far right.
 

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I wont even get into "groveling at the feet of Castro" because that is just ridiculous, so I will just address the main point. Do I need to say is slower so that you can grasp it? I cant do that online, so you need to read it really slow. The. views. of. a. few. extremists. do. not. represent. the . views. of. the. masses..
LOL! It's hilarious you twisting like a pretzel. Completely mainstream people on the left are now for the sake of a lame argument 'extremists' whose direct counterparts are neo nazi skinheads! That's truly funny!
 

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LOL! It's hilarious you twisting like a pretzel. Completely mainstream people on the left are now for the sake of a lame argument 'extremists' whose direct counterparts are neo nazi skinheads! That's truly funny!

Twist? Look at yourself pretzel boy. You make an ignorant comment about US liberals following Mao, and have zero to back that up, so you twist it to some comment Spielberg said about Castro and now call that mainstream? First off, Spielberg is a filthy rich Hollywood bigwig. What makes you think he is the norm? What makes you think he represents US liberals. He doesn't even hold an office, he holds a camera FFS. I have never once, in my life seen anyone speak of Spielberg in the realm of politics and I spend alot of time on politics, believe me. "Speilberg likes Castro therefore all US liberals agree" is just not an honest comment. Not even remotely. Secondly a comment he said about the best 7 hours of his life is hardly a ringing endorsement for a political ideology. WTF are you even talking about? You are so all over the place and off the point it isnt even funny... Sorry dood, you are as manipulative as hell, but I ain't buying it. Now, again (again [again]) none of that is the point, the point is that you said US liberals follow Mao and again, I am telling you whatever liberal fantasies that go on in your head are false. US liberals do not follow Mao, or Castro or Guevara other than a few far far lefty nutjobs. Saying US libs follow Mao is as intellectually dishonest as saying US conservatives are Nazis. It just doesn't ring true, no matter how many times you say it.
 
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agent00f

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Steven Speilberg is an extremist? A bunch of Democrats in congress who've gone down and groveled at the feet of Fidel Castro are extremists? You're seriously floating that such people mirror neo-nazis on the right side of the scale when it comes to mainstream social acceptance? Got any other laughs?

Once more, it's far more common for leftwingers to be tools for totalitarian regimes than their counterparts on the right. Leftists have simply once again dumbed things down, where groveling before Fidel Castro is just 'symbolism' or "Oh, I didn't know he was a tyrant!" or whatever other lame excuse, therefore= free pass. It just doesn't fly.

Wearing a t-shirt with a communist thug on it and claiming ignorance excuses you from being a tool, is just as silly as wearing a t-shirt of some nazi henchman and claiming ignorance would be. The difference is, anyone who actually would wear nazi imagary and symbols around doesn't claim ignorance of it- they're wackos. Liberals wear the thugs of the left around, and just want a pass for being STUPID as a box of shit as to what those symbols really stand for- let alone be labeled extremists in the same vein as neo-nazis. I just don't buy the ignorance argument. Plenty of leftists fawn over Castro and Che- Hollywood makes fawning movies about them. You can find lefties claiming to be marxists, communists etc. just about anywhere. The excuse is just supposed to be they're too ignorant to know they're being tools for totalitarian regimes, ideologies, and personalities? Well, there is the term useful idiot for a reason!

Castro for example is notable for bring basic living standards to cuba against the wishes of the rather hegemonic superpower next door. Sticking it to powerful authority like that exemplifies the opposite of easily placated first-world pleb, which is more your job here.