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Washington Mutual... Did someone screw me? Is this how Refinancing works?? *Please give input!*

I know it's 5am right now but I couldn't sleep since this have been bothering me all night. I'm not familiar with the refinancing procedure and I'm worried if someone took advantage of me or not. Please advise.

My parents were looking to refinance their home loan to a fixed rate so we called Washington Mutual customer service @ 1 866 WAMU YES. (Their website)

Now we were transferred to an agent named Mark. We asked bunch of questions and was told about the attractive fixed rate of 5.5% for 15 years with $1500 closing cost. While we were hesitant to make the decision, he said that he had an 'appointment' and he would call me back at my home number an hour later. So he did call an hour later and we decided to go with the new deal. He asked many personal questions which seemed normal: social security, annual income, property value, employment info. However there was one last required information that didn't rub me right: credit card info. & sudden $295 processing fee.

He never mentioned this $295 processing fee until the very end of our long exhausted phone call. I'm very suspicious now if he was personally trying to make money off my parents because he realized they weren't so sharp with this kind of stuff. Here are my following suspcions:

1. Isn't the freaking $1500 closing cost a processing fee already? He said we can even put the closing cost on the loan itself so we don't have to pay out of our pockets but why the sudden processing fee required to pay by credit card?

2. Remember he had an "appointment" and called us back at our home? He could've called using a private line to set this up so he's no longer monitored by the call center. This is a strong possibility because I used to work at AT&T customer service myself.

3. He already gave me the marketing BS of "The rates are going up tomorrow, so set up tonight", which I saw right through. When I asked suspiciously about the required credit card info and when the refinancing will go through, he answered, "I'll be putting all your personal information on my laptop and upload it tomorrow with the company." I don't know about you but don't agents have the company PC to use at their cubicle station? This goes perfectly well with suspicion #2.

Unfortunately, we already gave out the CC (my mom's debit card :|) and everything is done. But I do have his full name, extension at his company and even his cell phone number. Please advise only if you're familiar & experienced with home loan refinancing/. I can't wait til 8am to call them up and ask other agents about this "$295 processing fee". :disgust:
 
If this processing fee is outside the loan it does smell alittle fishy. When I got my loan and also when I refi there was a processing fee but it was included in the closing costs. I never was asked for a credit card number anytime during the process. If he puts anything on the credit card you can dispute it.

KK
 
Call Washington Mutuals corporate office and get an explanation of the charges. I would dispute it, but of course if your parents agreed to pay it I don't know what you can do. It sounds like the agent was fattening his wallet.
 
Yes, it's typical to have an application fee. And he'll fax you a form to sign with WaMu's logo on it for this application fee.

However, based on my current experiences attempting to refi with WaMu with a completely, totally, and quite thoroughly inept loan officer, I'd advise you to find a mortgage company that knows something about customer service.
 
I recommend Wells Fargo, personally. Just got through closing on a first-time mortgage with them and it couldn't be any easier/smoother/quicker.

Sorry can't help with your issue.
 
First thing first, get a Good Faith Estimate (GFE). While the costs are not necessarily set in stone, is something does mysteriously come up, you have the GFE to fall back on.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
First thing first, get a Good Faith Estimate (GFE). While the costs are not necessarily set in stone, is something does mysteriously come up, you have the GFE to fall back on.
This is true. They are REQ'd to provide this.
 
Generally, the "processing fee" that lenders charge upfront is usually just to cover the cost of the real estate appraisal of your home. This is a legit fee and the lenders charge it upfront for a reason: They have to pay the appraiser upfront, or if not, they usually require the borrower to pay the appraiser when he shows up at the door to do the appraisal.

Some lenders will gamble and not require the appraisal fee be paid upfront, but most do not, and I wouldn't worry too much about it.


 
Okay, first, I'd say I'm pretty well familiar with mortgage refinancing, as it's currenty ~75% of my business as a loan officer (not for WAMU). In answer to your questions:

1. The $1500 fee is called the "Loan Origination Fee." That is the cost of the loan and it is reasonable. The up-front processing fee serves only one purpose for WAMU, it pays for their processing costs in the event you decide to get the loan elsewhere. In recent years, many customers have greatly abused their "privilege to shop," usually with great ignorance of the system, often applying with 10 or more lenders at once, ordering several appraisals on their home (often one from each of these lenders), and then finally only picking the best liar as the lender to go with, leaving the rest stuck with all the processing costs. The refi boom of '98 was a big wake-up call for all of us. Except in rare cases, I will not do a loan without a deposit for the appraisal.

2. VERY unlikely that this was scam of any kind. While loan officers may work on the phone, they are NOT telemarketers. Most likely he did have another meeting or appointment, so he set up a call back with your parents and then kept that. I do this all the time.

3. After dipping earlier this week, rates are currently going up right now. Your parents could have gotten 5.25% on Tuesday, most likely. You call it marketing BS to say that rates could go up at any time, I call it experience. First, rates have only been this low since last July... less than 6 months. Second, rates are volatile and change constantly. The rate you may be quoted today might be different on Monday, that's how it works. In Feb. 1996, rates went up 2.5% in one day. Many lenders provide loan officers with laptops for their cubes instead of desktops. You spend a bit of time on the road as a loan officer.

Your parents will receive a copy of their application (FNMA form 1003) and Good Faith Estimate (GFE) along with all other required RESPA disclosures in 3 days. All fees will be explained there.

I will confirm what NogginBoink said though. Go find a nice mortgage company. WAMU is inundated with business right now and currently 90 days in processing, and their customer service has fallen quite a bit. A good loan officer at a smaller mortgage company will provide better service.
 
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