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nageov3t

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do you really think that is the "real" Hillary?

"realest," and probably the most relaxed I've seen her out in public.

as in, probably closer to her real personality than when she's kissing babies and glad-handing, but after so long in the public eye, I doubt she could show her "real" personality in public if she tried.
 

rudeguy

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"realest," and probably the most relaxed I've seen her out in public.

as in, probably closer to her real personality than when she's kissing babies and glad-handing, but after so long in the public eye, I doubt she could show her "real" personality in public if she tried.

Which do you think is the "realest" Hillary:

Chugging a beer in a bar
Flying in a private jet on the way to a 5 star hotel
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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Which do you think is the "realest" Hillary:

Chugging a beer in a bar
Flying in a private jet on the way to a 5 star hotel

How do you think Romney and Ryan got around last campaign? Yep, private jets.

Do you honestly think the Secret Service would let Clinton fly on a commercial flight even if she wanted to? :eek:
 

rudeguy

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How do you think Romney and Ryan got around last campaign? Yep, private jets.

Do you think the Secret Service would let Clinton fly on a commercial flight even if she wanted to? :eek:

not what I asked

I love the liberal idiocy. "The real Hillary sits around chugging beers in bars with the common man!"
uhh...she's done that once in her life and it was a photo opp
"The secret service won't let her! Romney is rich! Bush is evil!"

And shall I post the documents where she insists on a top of the line private jet?
 

nageov3t

Lifer
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Which do you think is the "realest" Hillary:

Chugging a beer in a bar
Flying in a private jet on the way to a 5 star hotel

why can't it with both?

she and John McCain used to do shots together as well when they were both in the Senate.
 

rudeguy

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How do you think Romney and Ryan got around last campaign? Yep, private jets.

Do you honestly think the Secret Service would let Clinton fly on a commercial flight even if she wanted to? :eek:

because I'm bored:


Hillary Rodham Clinton likes to travel in style.

She insists on staying in the “presidential suite” of luxury hotels that she chooses anywhere in the world, including Las Vegas.

She usually requires those who pay her six-figure fees for speeches to also provide a private jet for transportation — only a $39 million, 16-passenger Gulfstream G450 or larger will do.

And she doesn’t travel alone, relying on an entourage of a couple of “travel aides,” and a couple of advance staffers who check out her speech site in the days leading up to her appearance, much like a White House trip, according to her contract and supporting documents concerning her Oct. 13 speech at a University of Nevada, Las Vegas Foundation fundraiser. The documents were obtained by the Las Vegas Review-Journal through the state public records law.

CENTER OF ATTENTION

Clinton, a former first lady, U.S. senator from New York and U.S. secretary of state, is expected to run for president in 2016. Her lifestyles of the rich and famous ways and comments that she made about her wealth during a recent book tour have fueled criticism that she’s out of touch with average Americans.

The Democratic contender said she pays taxes, unlike some people who are “truly well off.” She also said she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, were “dead broke” when they left the White House in 2001. In the past eight years alone, the couple has earned more than $100 million, much of it from speaking fees, according to Politico.

In fact, the former president spoke at the 2012 UNLV Foundation dinner, taking home a $250,000 fee. His spouse will get $225,000 to speak at the annual dinner. The size of Hillary Clinton’s fee has come under fire from critics who question the large expense in an era when students are hard-pressed to cover tuition and leave school saddled with massive debt.

But Clinton’s $225,000 is something of a cut-rate. Documents obtained by the newspaper show that she initially asked for $300,000 and reveal that she insists on controlling every detail of the private event, large and small, to ensure that she will be the center of attention.

“It is agreed that Speaker will be the only person on the stage during her remarks,” according to the May 13 contract the Harry Walker Agency signed for Clinton’s keynote address at the Bellagio.

According to her standard speaking contract, Clinton will remain at the event no longer than 90 minutes; will pose for no more than 50 photos with no more than 100 people; and won’t allow any press coverage or video- or audio-taping of her speech.

The only record allowed will be made by a stenographer whose transcription will be given only to Clinton. The stenographer’s $1,250 bill, however, will go to the UNLV Foundation.

The foundation, meanwhile, is prohibited from advertising the event on radio, TV or billboards. Mail and website ads are allowed, although Clinton staffers must approve in writing any promotional material. One unhappy UNLV Foundation official in an email complained of “meddling” after Clinton’s agency edited a description of the annual dinner to “dumb it down.”

And Clinton’s demand for approval of all website material before it hits the Internet prompted a UNLV Web designer to grouse in an email that it seems “assbackwards in my mind.”

The foundation complied with Clinton’s wishes, however.

POLITICS IN PLAY

While big-name speakers such as the Clintons have been proven moneymakers, the foundation took a pass on a Hillary appearance in 2013 because Bill had appeared the previous year and the organization didn’t want to come off as favoring Democrats.

“We need to be careful not to appear partisan,” said a Feb. 18, 2013, email from the UNLV Foundation to the Harry Walker Agency.

Later, in a Jan. 31, 2014, email, UNLV suggested that Hillary Clinton might want to be interviewed by former TV broadcaster Tom Brokaw, who was supposed to speak in 2013 but fell ill and had to be replaced by talk show host Charlie Rose.

“It would temper any criticism by uber conservative donors that we’re giving her a campaign stop, particularly in light of the fact the BC was here 2 years prior,” reads an email from Tori Klein of the UNLV Foundation to Beth Gargano, a Harry Walker Agency representative.

But Clinton, who has had a rocky relationship with the press, had already vetoed media interviews.

Ironically, uber-conservative donor Sheldon Adelson, the chairman and chief executive officer of the Las Vegas Sands Corp. who donated an estimated $150 million to GOP campaigns and causes in 2012, will be honored at the UNLV Foundation dinner. His company helped UNLV raise millions of dollars this year and committed $7 million toward construction of a hotel college building and a proposed Center for Professional and Leadership Studies, the foundation said.

BIG NAMES

The annual dinner, one of Las Vegas’ biggest fundraising events, attracts powerful donors. The top givers this year, who purchased the most expensive $20,000 tables, are a who’s who of Nevada business and politics. They include:

Bank of America; Barnes & Noble College; Barrick Gold; the Bennett Family Foundation; Cashman Equipment Co.; the Engelstad Family; Kell and Nancy Houssels; Konami Gaming Inc.; Dana and Gregory Lee; Mr. and Mrs. Hae Un Lee of Lee’s Discount Liquor; Joyce Mack; The Mendenhall Family; MGM Resorts International; NV Energy; PR Partners; the Wells Fargo Foundation; and Michael and Renee Yackira.

Clinton’s contract allows her to invite up to 20 guests, including her staff, and have them sit together to be able to join the photo line.

None of the photos can be made public.

“The Sponsor is also required to communicate to the photo line attendees that the photo is for private, personal use only and that the photo cannot be used in any way to imply any kind of endorsement of an entity, individual, product or service,” the contract says.

“Any use of the photo that suggests or implies any such endorsement is forbidden.”

UNLV did win one major concession in contract talks that stretched more than a year: The Harry Walker Agency Inc. agreed to a $225,000 fee, down from Clinton’s standard $300,000.

Clinton’s fee usually includes expenses such as travel by private jet, other transportation, hotel rooms, phone charges, a TelePrompter, if needed, and all meals and “incidentals” for her and her staff.

“We can bring the fee down (because of the fact that a major portion of the $300K is for the jet),” an agency representative wrote in a May 23, 2013, email to a UNLV Foundation official.

“I believe the $225,000 ALL INCLUSIVE plus stenographer fee should do it,” the agency said in a follow-up May 31, 2013, email after the university negotiated the discount and asked for confirmation.

Presumably, Clinton will have to pay for her own jet to Las Vegas, presidential suite and other costs she normally charges to events, unless some private donor picks up the tab.

According to a May 31, 2013 email, Clinton’s standard contract usually includes:

■ Round-trip transportation on a chartered private jet “e.g., a Gulfstream 450 or larger jet,” plus round-trip business class travel for two advance staffers who will arrive up to three days in advance.

■ Hotel accommodations selected by Clinton’s staff and including “a presidential suite for Secretary Clinton and up to three (3) adjoining or contiguous single rooms for her travel aides and up to two (2) additional single rooms for the advance staff.”

■ A $500 travel stipend to cover out-of-pocket costs for Clinton’s lead travel aide.

■ Meals and incidentals for Clinton, her travel aides and advance staff, as well as all phone charges.

■ Final approval of all moderators or introducers.


BIG MONEYMAKER

The UNLV Foundation expects up to 1,000 people for the dinner, which is expected to turn a healthy profit. By early July, the organization had already sold out its top $20,000 tables with the $10,000, $5,000 and $3,000 tables going fast.

Individual tickets also are on sale for $200 each.

UNLV student leaders have sent a letter to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, which collects the $225,000 fee, asking that Hillary Clinton donate all or part of the money back to the university. They’ve received no reply.

UNLV Foundation leaders have defended paying such a high fee to Clinton, arguing that the dinner will make a profit and that her presence is both a big draw and an honor.

The foundation has raised more than $1 billion for the university over the years.

Yep...she wishes she could be sitting around chugging beers in a bar.
 

irishScott

Lifer
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How do you think Romney and Ryan got around last campaign? Yep, private jets.

Do you honestly think the Secret Service would let Clinton fly on a commercial flight even if she wanted to? :eek:

I can kinda see his point, in the last election one of the big talking points against Romney was the fallacy of how he was a corporage magnate and thus Obama was somehow closer to Joe Public. It was rather obnoxious, but nothing that hasn't been said countless times in previous elections. Fact is any Presidential candidate nowadays is going to be miles above the middle class, whether we're talking 20 miles or 25 miles doesn't really count for that much.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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because I'm bored:




Yep...she wishes she could be sitting around chugging beers in a bar.

I'll see your 16 passenger Gulfstream and raise you a M-D 83...

That’s where, for the first time, he will hop on the campaign plane he will use between now and the November election. The customized jet, a McDonnell-Douglas 83, is emblazoned with the Romney-Ryan logo.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
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I'll see your 16 passenger Gulfstream and raise you a M-D 83...

Love it!

The argument is that the "realest" Hillary is her sitting around drinking beer with the regular folk. I post proof that she demands more from "charities" than a rock star at a concert, refuses to let people record her, limits the number of people she will say hi to but also believes that her pay for charity work should be $200,000 per hour.

You refuse to address that and instead fall back on saying Romney is rich. Did you forget to mention that the Romney campaign paid for the use of that plane? They didn't demand that a "charity" fly him on it for free?

So the argument goes:
Hillary is the best! She's one of the people!
uhh...she demands hundreds of thousands of dollars to appear and demands private jets and presidential suites
Romney had a bigger jet!
Romney paid for that jet, he didn't demand a charity pay for it
Bush is evil!
 

nageov3t

Lifer
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Love it!

The argument is that the "realest" Hillary is her sitting around drinking beer with the regular folk. I post proof that she demands more from "charities" than a rock star at a concert, refuses to let people record her, limits the number of people she will say hi to but also believes that her pay for charity work should be $200,000 per hour.

You refuse to address that and instead fall back on saying Romney is rich. Did you forget to mention that the Romney campaign paid for the use of that plane? They didn't demand that a "charity" fly him on it for free?

So the argument goes:
Hillary is the best! She's one of the people!
uhh...she demands hundreds of thousands of dollars to appear and demands private jets and presidential suites
Romney had a bigger jet!
Romney paid for that jet, he didn't demand a charity pay for it
Bush is evil!

you're moving the goal posts... I said the realest/most relaxed I'd seen her in public and out on the campaign trail.

her travel rider isn't exactly her out in public.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
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you're moving the goal posts... I said the realest/most relaxed I'd seen her in public and out on the campaign trail.

her travel rider isn't exactly her out in public.

so her faking it while campaigning, makes it real? Her travel rider isn't her out in public but her campaigning is?

If its so real, post any time where she has done anything similar while not campaigning.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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so her faking it while campaigning, makes it real? Her travel rider isn't her out in public but her campaigning is?

If its so real, post any time where she has done anything similar while not campaigning.

Looks like Hillary top adviser Terry McAuliffe is really upping the ante when it comes to Hillary's ability to throw back shots with the best of 'em....
McAuliffe, asked whether her shot-tossing is phony, replied that "she loves to sit, throw 'em back," adding that "she actually beat John McCain in a shot contest. She's a girl from Illinois who likes to throw 'em down with the rest of us."

Here's another:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/hillary-clinton-drinking-colombia_n_1427821.html
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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OK maybe I'm confused....

Is the argument that Hillary is one of the people or that she is a drunk?

I think the point is, who cares how a politician campaigns, the important part is their ideas and what they are campaigning on. If you are concerned with how a politician acts on the campaign trail then you've bigger issues to worry about, personal issues.
 
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Which do you think is the "realest" Hillary:

Chugging a beer in a bar
Flying in a private jet on the way to a 5 star hotel

I think the 'murdered Vince Foster' Hillary is the real one. Or, maybe the 'lover of Vince Foster who fathered Chelsea'' is the real one. Or, maybe the 'lover of Janet Reno' is the real one. Damn, there are so many, which is real, which is real...
 
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Jeb would fare better.

It would be interesting if Jeb ran...another Bush...after the Republicans tried to pretend that most recent Bush president did not exist at the last presidential convention.

Jeb would have great difficulty distancing himself from the national disaster that wast his brother's presidency, arguably the worst in American history. "Elect me so that I can clean up the messes my brother created in the Middle East."
 

sportage

Lifer
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The GOP is afraid of Hillary, and that is the truth.
Only those with noting to lose would consider a run against Hillary.
And none of them would win.
And so they all wait to see if they should spend valuable resources (credibility) on a run against Hillary 2016, or wait for Hillary reelection bid 2020.

Naturally, Randy Paul will run because he has no credibility and never will.
Randy has nothing to lose.
Christy will wait if Hillary runs.
And Romney will definitely wait. But Romney will probably run if Hillary decides not to.

Everyone is waiting for Hillary to make her move.
Talk about a poker face.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
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The GOP is afraid of Hillary, and that is the truth.
Only those with noting to lose would consider a run against Hillary.
And none of them would win.
And so they all wait to see if they should spend valuable resources (credibility) on a run against Hillary 2016, or wait for Hillary reelection bid 2020.

Naturally, Randy Paul will run because he has no credibility and never will.
Randy has nothing to lose.
Christy will wait if Hillary runs.
And Romney will definitely wait. But Romney will probably run if Hillary decides not to.

Everyone is waiting for Hillary to make her move.
Talk about a poker face.

Did you take too much acid? Is that what happened?

Anyways, good to see the libtards starting early. "No one can beat our candidate, so you shouldn't even run. We will destroy you!"
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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The difference is Romney and Ryan paid for that jet themselves. They didn't ask the people hearing them speak pay for it.

Their campaign paid for it, meaning their donors ( the people hearing them speak) . They didn't pay for them out of their own pockets (though Romney could afford his).