Was the 14th Amendment illegally ratified?

[SoCalAznGuy]

No other Amendment has been sited more in cases to the Supreme Court than the 14th Amendment. Perhaps no other amendment has as much controversy around it as the 14th Amendment. When it comes to states right and state laws the 14th changes everything.

The biggest controversy around the 14th is how it was ratified, and why many claim the amendment is not legitimate. What is your take on this was the 14th Amendment illegally ratified? Is the amendment in fact not legitimate?

Remember almost every protection you have from the state and local goverments infringing on your rights comes from the 14th Amendment. Without the 14th abortion could be illegal gain, states could establish christianity as a state religion.

 

[Brainonska511]

 

[SoCalAznGuy]

I do not know what you are rolling your eyes at, but numerous people have written about how the 14th was illegally ratified. In fact, the Utah Supreme Court ruled such. In fact, right wing wackos are always taking about how illegal the 14th is and how it needs to be struck down and repealed.

One issue dealing with its ratification was placing states under martial law who refused to ratify it.

I my self believe the 14th is vital and regardless if it was legally ratified or not it should remain as law.

 

[nageov3t]

you make a compelling case for how the amendment was illegally ratified and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Brainonska511]

I do not know what you are rolling your eyes at, but numerous people have written about how the 14th was illegally ratified. In fact, the Utah Supreme Court ruled such. In fact, right wing wackos are always taking about how illegal the 14th is and how it needs to be struck down and repealed.

One issue dealing with its ratification was placing states under martial law who refused to ratify it.

I my self believe the 14th is vital and regardless if it was legally ratified or not it should remain as law.

I bolded the reason why I think such a thread is inane and deserved an eyeroll. File this under 9/11 conspiracies, income tax is illegal, and the moon landing was fake.

 

[SoCalAznGuy]

you make a compelling case for how the amendment was illegally ratified and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

I don't believe it was illegally ratified. I was pointing out there are many who do.

Example:

http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/14thAmendment.pdf

Though if you look at the site it seems to run by a nut job.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't believe it was illegally ratified. I was pointing out there are many who do.

Example:

http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/14thAmendment.pdf

Though if you look at the site it seems to run by a nut job.

your another one of those wackos.......who states I don`t believ it...but then you go on spouting how it was illegally ratified.....

Just like waggy started a thread and said he didn`t believe it and then went on in later posts to defend what he said initially he didn`t believe...

You goofballs are a dime a dozen!!

 

[Lemon law]

Hey I have got no problem with goofballs, go right ahead, don't pay your taxes, tell the judge all about how the 14'th amendment is invalid. And when you end up in a jail cell, and the days turn into weeks and the weeks turn into years, stick to the courage of your convictions, they will repeal that amendment any minute.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I do not know what you are rolling your eyes at, but numerous people have written about how the 14th was illegally ratified. In fact, the Utah Supreme Court ruled such. In fact, right wing wackos are always taking about how illegal the 14th is and how it needs to be struck down and repealed.

One issue dealing with its ratification was placing states under martial law who refused to ratify it.

I my self believe the 14th is vital and regardless if it was legally ratified or not it should remain as law.

remember, this was ratified after the civil war. when the south didnt want to give up slaves. So that is probably why threatening martial law was used.

 

[kylebisme]

It was the 13th amendment which outlawed slavery, and that was ratified legally. On the other hand, the "ratification" of the "14th" was unconstitutional, though I know most of you don't care about rule of law anyway.

 

[JEDIYoda]

It was the 13th amendment which outlawed slavery, and that was ratified legally. On the other hand, the "ratification" of the "14th" was unconstitutional, though I know most of you don't care about rule of law anyway.

Are you the same fool that had his ass handed to him in another thread concerning the WTC towers....

You actually know nothing about the law......

 

[First]

You might be mildly handicapped if you think the 14th amendment was unconstitutional.

 

[Freshgeardude]

It was the 13th amendment which outlawed slavery, and that was ratified legally. On the other hand, the "ratification" of the "14th" was unconstitutional, though I know most of you don't care about rule of law anyway.

the 13th ammendment was voted by both parties during the civil war

"It was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, passed by the House on January 21, 1865"

it was only fully ratified after the war, and in effect december 6th of that year. I am sure the union being separated delayed that

Also if I remember correctly, the south had laws known as "black codes" which was an attempt to take away rights from former slaves, leading to the 14th.




And of the people on this forum that don't care about rule of law, you and LL are the number 1 and number 2.

You still think Israel's raid on ships trying to impede the naval blockade on gaza was illegal although the law has already been presented and confirmed to prove it was legal.

 

[tcsenter]

The biggest controversy around the 14th is how it was ratified, and why many claim the amendment is not legitimate. What is your take on this was the 14th Amendment illegally ratified? Is the amendment in fact not legitimate?

It most likely was not "legally" ratified, but for good reason. It was proposed during a time when there were essentially several rogue states thumbing their nose at the constitution and generally behaving in a shocking criminal manner, threatening not only the rights (and lives) of individuals in those states, but the very stability of the republic.

Its a classic case of "desperate times call for desperate measures", but don't get so caught up in the procedural flaws that you overlook the merits and necessity of it. It would have been nice if it had been ratified in a way that wasn't so flawed or sordid, but that would have been virtually impossible given the times.

It was the "right" thing to do, even though it wasn't done "correctly". Whenever you are forced to make a choice between what is morally right and what is procedurally/technically/legally correct, choose morally right. That's what they did. Besides, its a long done deal.

 

[Zebo]

Hey I have got no problem with goofballs, go right ahead, don't pay your taxes, tell the judge all about how the 14'th amendment is invalid. And when you end up in a jail cell, and the days turn into weeks and the weeks turn into years, stick to the courage of your convictions, they will repeal that amendment any minute.

That'll be only way to get you teeth fixed under Obamacare. Prison.


BTW dummy it's 16th that relates to taxes.

 

[nick1985]

The OP is the same guy that same gun owners should be treated like murderers or something like that. He is a fucking moron