Was Saddam/Iraq responsible for this or was it Osama bin laden and al-qaeda?

[dahunan]

I hope those 1100 plus dead American Soldiers are not dying in vain and that we are spending the $200,000,000,000 to get those who are responsible for this?

 

[conjur]

$225,000,000,000 by next year.


But, you're deluding yourself if you think Iraq has anything to do with the war on terror or about access to oil. It's all about protecting Israel and enacting the PNAC vision. And, just so happens some Christian Reconstructionists/Dominionists are jumping on board to use this as a sign that wiping out Israel's enemies will bring about the End Times.

 

[ElFenix]

if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Iraq before invasion = no terrorists.
Iraq after invasion = more terrorists than ever before.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Iraq before invasion = no terrorists.
Iraq after invasion = more terrorists than ever before.

muslim fundamenatlist terrorists are never going to be rooted out without the whole mideast being remade, and it has to start somewhere.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Ok, far-sighted, non-partisan hack. Explain to me how the invasion of Iraq had *anything* to do with the war on terror. Do keep in mind that bin Laden was and is still on the run. Remember him?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Ok, far-sighted, non-partisan hack. Explain to me how the invasion of Iraq had *anything* to do with the war on terror. Do keep in mind that bin Laden was and is still on the run. Remember him?

So Bin Laden is the only terrorist?

You know Saddam had dealings with terrorists right? Google Carlos the Jackal and Saddam.

 

[dahunan]

I have ALWAYS wanted to know what terrorists Saddam supported that struck AMERICA AMERICA.. remember.. we are not the World Police ...

 

[Mill]

With the failure of yet another of Haddad's plans, Carlos was inspired to push ahead with his own plan of independent action. In December 1977, accompanied by Libyan intelligence officers, Carlos travelled to Baghdad where he met with Saddam Hussein who was the first to offer his support. This was an important victory for Carlos as it also guaranteed the support of Iraq's KGB trained secret service, the Al Mukharabat.

Carlos the Jackal. Responsbile for tons of terrorism

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I have ALWAYS wanted to know what terrorists Saddam supported that struck AMERICA AMERICA.. remember.. we are not the World Police ...

and yet the world bitches when we aren't the world police. funny how that works.

 

[Tylanner]

Saddam was a terrorist.

Look up terrorism in the dictionary.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I hope those 1100 plus dead American Soldiers are not dying in vain and that we are spending the $200,000,000,000 to get those who are responsible for this?

Want to hearirony?

When Iraq invaded Iran, Al Qaeda wanted to fight against Iraq with help from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia refused their request. Yet our leaders tell us that Bin laden and Saddam are buddies. Odd, huh.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Iraq before invasion = no terrorists.
Iraq after invasion = more terrorists than ever before.

muslim fundamenatlist terrorists are never going to be rooted out without the whole mideast being remade, and it has to start somewhere.

Step 1) Lie to the people you represent and are paid by to serve them.

Step 1, check!

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: dahunan
I hope those 1100 plus dead American Soldiers are not dying in vain and that we are spending the $200,000,000,000 to get those who are responsible for this?

Want to hearirony?

When Iraq invaded Iran, Al Qaeda wanted to fight Iraq with help from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia refused their request. Yet our leaders tell us that Bin laden and Saddam are buddies. Odd, huh.

Shhh... :laugh:

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I have ALWAYS wanted to know what terrorists Saddam supported that struck AMERICA AMERICA.. remember.. we are not the World Police ...

So, you are saying terrorists are linked together? Bin Laden and Al-Qaida only attack American targets in America? They all exchange funds and ideas with each other and train together. Supporting radical Palestinian terror groups have a negative impact on Americans both abroad and at Home. Letting them go unchecked and provoking Israel is not a positive for the United States of America. Letting them go unchecked and establishing another country like Libya, a violent theocracy like Saudi Arabia, or a terrosist haven like Syria, is NOT a positive for the World, OR the US.



Scotsman

? Documents show Saddam funded Palestinian terrorist group
? Syrian business front funded terrorists through UN oil-for-food programme
? 1991 tape reveals Saddam wanted to use biological weapons against Israel

Story in full SADDAM Hussein?s links to terrorism have been proven by documents showing he helped to fund the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

The PFLP, whose history of terrorism dates back to the "black September" hijackings of 1970, was personally vetted by Saddam to receive oil vouchers worth £40 million.

The deal has been uncovered by US investigators, trawling millions of pages of documents showing a network of diplomats bribed by Saddam?s regimes, and political parties who qualified for backhanded payments from Baghdad.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is still working its way through 20,000 boxes of documents from Saddam?s Baath party discovered only recently, found a list of pressure groups bankrolled by Saddam.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Iraq before invasion = no terrorists.
Iraq after invasion = more terrorists than ever before.

muslim fundamenatlist terrorists are never going to be rooted out without the whole mideast being remade, and it has to start somewhere.

So who is going to invade us to free America from OUR fundamentalists? It's our turn first damnit!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: dahunan
I hope those 1100 plus dead American Soldiers are not dying in vain and that we are spending the $200,000,000,000 to get those who are responsible for this?

Want to hearirony?

When Iraq invaded Iran, Al Qaeda wanted to fight Iraq with help from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia refused their request. Yet our leaders tell us that Bin laden and Saddam are buddies. Odd, huh.

you expect the saudis to help iran take over saudi oil fields? that's interesting. lets see how that would play out. the saudis help iran take over the oil fields, and then they don't have any oil left themselves. remarkable! i can't believe they didn't do that! big blunder on their part!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: dahunan
I hope those 1100 plus dead American Soldiers are not dying in vain and that we are spending the $200,000,000,000 to get those who are responsible for this?

Want to hearirony?

When Iraq invaded Iran, Al Qaeda wanted to fight against Iraq with help from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia refused their request. Yet our leaders tell us that Bin laden and Saddam are buddies. Odd, huh.

So terrorism means Bin Laden, and Bin Laden only?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Ok, far-sighted, non-partisan hack. Explain to me how the invasion of Iraq had *anything* to do with the war on terror. Do keep in mind that bin Laden was and is still on the run. Remember him?

Still waiting.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mill

With the failure of yet another of Haddad's plans, Carlos was inspired to push ahead with his own plan of independent action. In December 1977, accompanied by Libyan intelligence officers, Carlos travelled to Baghdad where he met with Saddam Hussein who was the first to offer his support. This was an important victory for Carlos as it also guaranteed the support of Iraq's KGB trained secret service, the Al Mukharabat.

Carlos the Jackal. Responsbile for tons of terrorism

Oh, during the time when Iraq was our ally? Remember, in 1983 Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam. Wanna see the picture? The US was funneling intelligence to Saddam on Iranian troop locations and was selling chemical weapon pre-cursors to him.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: dahunan
I have ALWAYS wanted to know what terrorists Saddam supported that struck AMERICA AMERICA.. remember.. we are not the World Police ...

So, you are saying terrorists are linked together? Bin Laden and Al-Qaida only attack American targets in America? They all exchange funds and ideas with each other and train together. Supporting radical Palestinian terror groups have a negative impact on Americans both abroad and at Home. Letting them go unchecked and provoking Israel is not a positive for the United States of America. Letting them go unchecked and establishing another country like Libya, a violent theocracy like Saudi Arabia, or a terrosist haven like Syria, is NOT a positive for the World, OR the US.



Scotsman

? Documents show Saddam funded Palestinian terrorist group
? Syrian business front funded terrorists through UN oil-for-food programme
? 1991 tape reveals Saddam wanted to use biological weapons against Israel

Story in full SADDAM Hussein?s links to terrorism have been proven by documents showing he helped to fund the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

The PFLP, whose history of terrorism dates back to the "black September" hijackings of 1970, was personally vetted by Saddam to receive oil vouchers worth £40 million.

The deal has been uncovered by US investigators, trawling millions of pages of documents showing a network of diplomats bribed by Saddam?s regimes, and political parties who qualified for backhanded payments from Baghdad.

The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is still working its way through 20,000 boxes of documents from Saddam?s Baath party discovered only recently, found a list of pressure groups bankrolled by Saddam.

Just admit it... The Iraq Terrorists War (we being the terrorists this time) is to protect Israel... That was one of my feelings all along

Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of an Innocent Dead Iraqi who was killed by the Americans?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I hope those 1100 plus dead American Soldiers are not dying in vain and that we are spending the $200,000,000,000 to get those who are responsible for this?

Topic Title: Was Saddam/Iraq responsible for this or was it Osama bin laden and al-qaeda?


The only way to know for sure will be by the invasion of all the other Al-qaeda origin Countries.

Having such a hard time (It's hard work according to the President) the past 2 years and lacking manpower means a much longer road ahead.

Good question, did we get who was responsible yet???

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill

With the failure of yet another of Haddad's plans, Carlos was inspired to push ahead with his own plan of independent action. In December 1977, accompanied by Libyan intelligence officers, Carlos travelled to Baghdad where he met with Saddam Hussein who was the first to offer his support. This was an important victory for Carlos as it also guaranteed the support of Iraq's KGB trained secret service, the Al Mukharabat.

Carlos the Jackal. Responsbile for tons of terrorism

Oh, during the time when Iraq was our ally? Remember, in 1983 Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam. Wanna see the picture? The US was funneling intelligence to Saddam on Iranian troop locations and was selling chemical weapon pre-cursors to him.

What does that have to do with Saddam's lifetime history of courting international terrorists? That is just a red-herring to sidetrack the point that Saddam did meet with terrorists during his entire rule of Iraq. He rewarded Palestinian suicide bombers, his secret police and government officials had meeting with Al-Qaida members, or groups with ties to Al-Qaida.

I've never said Saddam had anything to do with 9/11, but he certainly had plenty of ties to terrorists, and given the chance he'd have gladly given funds or materials to them for an attack of similar nature. Saddam wasn't just greedy in that he invaded Kuwait for no reason, but also used Chemical Weapons on the Kurds, and was actively bidding terrorists to continue their havock. He also used his secret police and other government officials to open channels with these terrorists, gave them verbal support, and certainly was seeking to get closer to them.

You have evidence that he ever renounced Carlos? Saddam's relationship with the US was just a hedging we used to contain Iran. Don't you know your history, or are you one of those that think the US funded Bin Laden, when he wasn't funded at all by us. It is true we funded numerous different tribes during the Afghan-Soviet War, but Bin-Laden was not one who received such funding.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix
if you're shortsighted partisan hack like conjur then you think this has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Ok, far-sighted, non-partisan hack. Explain to me how the invasion of Iraq had *anything* to do with the war on terror. Do keep in mind that bin Laden was and is still on the run. Remember him?

So Bin Laden is the only terrorist?

You know Saddam had dealings with terrorists right? Google Carlos the Jackal and Saddam.

So did we. Google the Contras.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill

With the failure of yet another of Haddad's plans, Carlos was inspired to push ahead with his own plan of independent action. In December 1977, accompanied by Libyan intelligence officers, Carlos travelled to Baghdad where he met with Saddam Hussein who was the first to offer his support. This was an important victory for Carlos as it also guaranteed the support of Iraq's KGB trained secret service, the Al Mukharabat.

Carlos the Jackal. Responsbile for tons of terrorism

Oh, during the time when Iraq was our ally? Remember, in 1983 Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam. Wanna see the picture? The US was funneling intelligence to Saddam on Iranian troop locations and was selling chemical weapon pre-cursors to him.

What does that have to do with Saddam's lifetime history of courting international terrorists? That is just a red-herring to sidetrack the point that Saddam did meet with terrorists during his entire rule of Iraq. He rewarded Palestinian suicide bombers, his secret police and government officials had meeting with Al-Qaida members, or groups with ties to Al-Qaida.

I've never said Saddam had anything to do with 9/11, but he certainly had plenty of ties to terrorists, and given the chance he'd have gladly given funds or materials to them for an attack of similar nature. Saddam wasn't just greedy in that he invaded Kuwait for no reason, but also used Chemical Weapons on the Kurds, and was actively bidding terrorists to continue their havock. He also used his secret police and other government officials to open channels with these terrorists, gave them verbal support, and certainly was seeking to get closer to them.

You have evidence that he ever renounced Carlos? Saddam's relationship with the US was just a hedging we used to contain Iran. Don't you know your history, or are you one of those that think the US funded Bin Laden, when he wasn't funded at all by us. It is true we funded numerous different tribes during the Afghan-Soviet War, but Bin-Laden was not one who received such funding.

The red herring is your diversion from the topic title. Saddam's history was well known why we were courting him to fight against Iran. It's ok to be a terrorist supporting dictator as long as you're keeping the U.S. military-industrial complex happy and fighting apparent foes to the U.S. rule. But, cross that line and all is forgotten.

In any even, Saddam was NOT an imminent threat as purported by the Bush administration in the lead up to the invasion. And, the only justification given for the invasion was the known stockpiles of WMDs. Those were the words of Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz. Shall I bring out those quotes, again? No other element of the UN sanctions was used as justification for invasion.