Was recent strike in Pakistan work of a Predator Drone?

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The point is dna, that we already have military leaders and also Bill Frisk pushing these ideas. But their job becomes harder anytime the USA just kills for the sake of maybe
getting some bad guy---but after nearly four years in Afghanistan, the insurgency there is now very active and we are doing a miserable job connecting with the Afghani's people.
Compared to Iraq, solving the puzzle in Afghanistan is far simpler because the people there are not as divided as they are in Iraq.

The point being dna, we have tried exactly the policy you are advocating for four years---and the only achievement we can point to is that Opium production is way way up.
If you think staying the course will work---you had better take a look at the results.

And if you think you have better ideas---I will listen to them.

Actually, it's not us who have failed in Afghanistan; rather, it's the geography of the land preventing the people scattered around the country from feeling any changes imposed by the new centralized government in Kabul. The people living hundreds of miles away from any paved roads are asking "what has this new government done for me?"

When I left Afghanistan, there was only one paved road outside of the 2/3 major cities. The entire rest fo the country was inaccessible during the winter months and early Spring. Snow, mud, and the total lack of paved roads prevented us from going very far in any direction once we left Route 1 (Ring Rd.) We could visit some of the villages only once every year!

The truth is that the government in Kabul is slowly increasing it's sphere of influence; but, it will be a VERY long time before taht sphere reaches the majority of the people living out in the middle of nowhere. Therefore the Taliban has the ability to dominate those areas where we can hardly show a presence. When we finally do arrive on the scene, they have put the fear of Allah into the villagers. Those villagers refuse to speak to us because the Taliban is watching them from the hills and will kill the wives and children of any who try to cooperate with the Kabul government, the ANA, or the NATO forces. Some of them come right out and say to us: "we hate the Taliban, but we haven't seen anyone from the government in 12 months, so what the hell can you do to help us? please leave."

Swell eh?

The key to winning in Afghanistan is the same as in Iraq: patience and tenacity on the part of the Coalition, NATO, and the Iraqi and Afghani people themselves.

My biggest fear is that humanity will defeat itself by simply being too impatient to ever finish what we've started.

believe it, or not, one of the #1 methods to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan would be to build thousands of miles of paved roads! It would almost be that simple. In order for Kabul to expand its influence and benefits, the country needs to be accessible. period.

 

[conjur]

How does one finish something when one outsourced the job and then cut and ran and left bin Laden and Zawahiri free men?

 

[marvdmartian]

Was recent strike in Pakistan work of a Predator Drone?

I don't suppose you thought of calling the Christians In Action, and asking them if it was one of theirs, did you?? Likely, they'll have a better idea than anyone here......though you'll probably get just as useful an answer from the CIA as you will here!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur
How does one finish something when one outsourced the job and then cut and ran and left bin Laden and Zawahiri free men?

Nailing those guys would likely require invading Pakistan, a country with nukes. Are you willing to support such an action?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
How does one finish something when one outsourced the job and then cut and ran and left bin Laden and Zawahiri free men?

Nailing those guys would likely require invading Pakistan, a country with nukes. Are you willing to support such an action?

You support invading Iran, the difference there is???

And why not let Pakistan take over the charge or work in concert with them?

And, the REAL question still remains:

Why the hell did Bushco let bin Laden go at Tora Bora?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur
You support invading Iran, the difference there is???

I DO?! since when? I have never supported or advocated a ground war in Iran.

And why not let Pakistan take over the charge or work in concert with them?

lol.. you're joking, right? Their troops and government are half of the problem!! so you'll be hardpressed in getting them to commit to any truly offensive actions on their northwestern frontier. We'd end up fighting them too.

And, the REAL question still remains:

Why the hell did Bushco let bin Laden go at Tora Bora?

I've spoken with SOF soldiers who were there, and I'm sorry, there is just no chance in hell that we let him go on purpose. The bastard slipped out beyond our grasp. period. And no tinfoil-based theory will ever change my mind on that subject. Hell no.

 

[Lemon law]

believe it, or not, one of the #1 methods to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan would be to build thousands of miles of paved roads! It would almost be that simple. In order for Kabul to expand its influence and benefits, the country needs to be accessible. period.---or so says palehorse 74.

I will give you exactly a 50% here--but roads are useless if commerce is looted on these roads---which is exactly what the war lords who now govern the countryside outside of Kabul
do---loot all commerce---government by thuggery---and what the Tailiban rose to power to prevent---such are the pleasant choices the Afghani people face---government by thugs or the Tailban and its repressive sharia laws---and what you also have to realize is that when the tailban came to power---it did make commerce with the outside world possible---which had some benefits for the people---but also opened up Pakistani trade routes into the various Stans to the North--which was a win win for both governments.

But at this point in time---and for the bulk of the Afghani people---the US invasion has set them back 10 years or more---in a country that has not had a stable government since 1937.

Until the US is ready to break the power of the war lords---which it is not--no progress will be possible.---and the insurgency will continue to grow.

 

[compnovice]

I am not a big fan of Pakistan....

But I disagree with the school bombing tactics... If you had terror suspects in the school, go and arrest them... you just can't go on bombing places on hunches or so called intelligence..

You can always take some tanks and lay a seige till the food runs out....

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The missile strike a "school" in Pakistan that is all over the news Link may have been the work of a Predator drone.

This would not be the first time we have used a predator in Pakistan.

I think Musharraf understands how much of a threat al-Qaida is to himself.

Which is why he is trying to provide cover for an attack launched by us via the helicopter cover story.

There were helicopters on scene, but they showed up after the missile attack.

It would make sense to use the predator drone for the initial attack since it is very small and would be much harder to anyone on the ground to see.

While helicopter are anything but small and quiet.

What are you mumbling about, we fly drones everywhere all the time.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: compnovice
I am not a big fan of Pakistan....

But I disagree with the school bombing tactics... If you had terror suspects in the school, go and arrest them... you just can't go on bombing places on hunches or so called intelligence..

You can always take some tanks and lay a seige till the food runs out....

Riiiiight... And by the time the tanks lumber up, the terrorists will have been gone for days/weeks. It's not like you can deploy tanks at a moments notice.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: dna
India is right next to Pakistan, and they were a British colony once. How come they aren't afflicted by this anti-West mantra?

Because Islam is not the dominant religion in India.

 

[compnovice]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: compnovice
I am not a big fan of Pakistan....

But I disagree with the school bombing tactics... If you had terror suspects in the school, go and arrest them... you just can't go on bombing places on hunches or so called intelligence..

You can always take some tanks and lay a seige till the food runs out....

Riiiiight... And by the time the tanks lumber up, the terrorists will have been gone for days/weeks. It's not like you can deploy tanks at a moments notice.

Riiiiight... And all the airstikes in Afganistan have landed us up with Osama..
I am sure that EACH and EVERY one of the 80 killed was a terrorist...

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: compnovice

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: compnovice
I am not a big fan of Pakistan....

But I disagree with the school bombing tactics... If you had terror suspects in the school, go and arrest them... you just can't go on bombing places on hunches or so called intelligence..

You can always take some tanks and lay a seige till the food runs out....

Riiiiight... And by the time the tanks lumber up, the terrorists will have been gone for days/weeks. It's not like you can deploy tanks at a moments notice.

Riiiiight... And all the airstikes in Afganistan have landed us up with Osama..
I am sure that EACH and EVERY one of the 80 killed was a terrorist...

Not relevant. If there is a terrorist in the madrassa that you want to kill, an airstrike would be the way to do it.

 

[compnovice]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: compnovice

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: compnovice
I am not a big fan of Pakistan....

But I disagree with the school bombing tactics... If you had terror suspects in the school, go and arrest them... you just can't go on bombing places on hunches or so called intelligence..

You can always take some tanks and lay a seige till the food runs out....

Riiiiight... And by the time the tanks lumber up, the terrorists will have been gone for days/weeks. It's not like you can deploy tanks at a moments notice.

Riiiiight... And all the airstikes in Afganistan have landed us up with Osama..
I am sure that EACH and EVERY one of the 80 killed was a terrorist...

Not relevant. If there is a terrorist in the madrassa that you want to kill, an airstrike would be the way to do it.

And, I suppose the other 79 will be casualties of war :disgust:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
You support invading Iran, the difference there is???

I DO?! since when? I have never supported or advocated a ground war in Iran.

You've never supported wiping out Muslims all over? You've never supported airstrikes against Iran, which *will* lead to a ground war as airstrikes only *will* fail, as shown by Israel attacking Lebanon recently.

And why not let Pakistan take over the charge or work in concert with them?

lol.. you're joking, right? Their troops and government are half of the problem!! so you'll be hardpressed in getting them to commit to any truly offensive actions on their northwestern frontier. We'd end up fighting them too.

Ah, perhaps you're beginning to see the problem and how this administration's lack of planning and ill-advised tactics have made things WORSE.

And, the REAL question still remains:

Why the hell did Bushco let bin Laden go at Tora Bora?

I've spoken with SOF soldiers who were there, and I'm sorry, there is just no chance in hell that we let him go on purpose. The bastard slipped out beyond our grasp. period. And no tinfoil-based theory will ever change my mind on that subject. Hell no.

Uh, your fellow clan members are not SOF soldiers. Step on back into reality.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
You support invading Iran, the difference there is???

I DO?! since when? I have never supported or advocated a ground war in Iran.

You've never supported wiping out Muslims all over?

I've never advocated any such thing. It is my belief that we must assist the 99.9% of Muslims, who are good peopl, in destroying the 0.1% who are fanatical. Hell, I'd be alot happier if the 99.9% did so themselves, but they are not... so we're forced to do it for them.

You've never supported airstrikes against Iran, which *will* lead to a ground war as airstrikes only *will* fail, as shown by Israel attacking Lebanon recently.

I believe that limited strikes, of some sort, aimed at their nuclear research facilities may be required, but I sincerely hope that the UN or someone else can come up with a better solution. Contrary to your belief, I do not wish to see us in any more wars. However, sometimes conflict and death are inevitable... such is life.

And why not let Pakistan take over the charge or work in concert with them?

lol.. you're joking, right? Their troops and government are half of the problem!! so you'll be hardpressed in getting them to commit to any truly offensive actions on their northwestern frontier. We'd end up fighting them too.

Ah, perhaps you're beginning to see the problem and how this administration's lack of planning and ill-advised tactics have made things WORSE.

actually, our actions in Afghanistan have certainly not made anything "worse" there, nor in Pakistan. More and more people are being helped and supported every day in Afghanistan. Like I said before, want to beat the Taliban completely? Then build 10000 miles of paved roads throughout Afghanistan. That one step will win the war against fanaticism because it will allow for the central government in Kabul to access the majority of the population that is scattered throughout the countrysides completely cut off from civilization and said government.

And, the REAL question still remains:

Why the hell did Bushco let bin Laden go at Tora Bora?

I've spoken with SOF soldiers who were there, and I'm sorry, there is just no chance in hell that we let him go on purpose. The bastard slipped out beyond our grasp. period. And no tinfoil-based theory will ever change my mind on that subject. Hell no.

Uh, your fellow clan members are not SOF soldiers. Step on back into reality.

actually, you're wrong again. The majority of my gaming clan is active military, such as myself, or ex-military. Our commander/founder was SF until he was wounded and forced out with 100% disability. Nice try though... no, really, A for effort! And we know this is all true because, unlike most gaming clans, we actually get together once or twice aa year and party it up together! the members fly/drive in from all over the country... pretty cool actually.

You seem to be under the impression that it is physically impossible to be both a computer geek/gamer and a member of the real military. Why is that? some sort of bias perhaps? jealousy? Would it make you even more sad to know that I'm probably a better computer geek too? Do you want to compare overclocks? LOL...

<sigh...> good 'ole Conjie... you never let me down! keep the insults and trollbait garbage posts coming!

 

[maluckey]

What's so hard about thinking that actual posters on this forum are in SOF units? It is GOOD for them (SOF Operators) to read what goes on from the other side of the coin. It is part of their training to get into the mindsets of those that don't think like themselves, and this forum is a good place to do just that.