Was just in the middle of the following post eating cranberry walnut bread when I had a curious thought that made me wonder:

Moonbeam

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Other than abortion most "single issues" I can think of are bunk.

There isn't a hell of a lot of difference in immigration policy between the parties and hasn't been for decades at least. Just a lot of fear-mongering by one of them.

Guns--wasn't Obama supposed to round up all the weapons? I guess eight years wasn't long enough to do it.

I'm far from a single-user voter but the environment/climate change is high on my list. The two parties are quite different on that one.

"Defund the police"--yeah, don't think most reasonable people want to have no police. Some whackos do. What most people want is for them to be fucking accountable, do their job, and stop lying when they do something wrong. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

"low information" and "conspiracy thinking" go hand in hand to me. I had idiots telling me they "knew" hospitals were empty during covid, and that nobody was dying--it was all a scam. Meanwhile my brother works in an ICU and I knew several others working in hospitals, so I "knew" they were completely and totally full of shit. Where they got that garbage I don't know, but welcome to seemingly most of the American public. I don't even want to think of how many people believe total nonsense and vote accordingly--probably best to hope they don't vote at all.
What if instead of voting for individuals people could only state preferences on a comprehensive list of political positions where candidates would do the same and an AI would vote for each person based on the best match of those positions to the candidates who in turn be required to vote as stated when those issues come up for a vote. Politics could become about policy rather than personality and fact based checked against reality. Nobody would have to campaign and parties would function as policy advocates. Single issue voters could be prevented if so desired by a requirement to vote on some minimum number of positions.
 

dullard

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Are we electing policies? Or are we electing leaders? Leaders who can motivate groups, inspire us for the future, persuade others, negotiate with internal politicians/foreign entities, and make good tough decisions when there isn't time for a democratic vote on every single subject.
 

dullard

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I'd actually think we should have a blend. (A) More direct democracy for the long-lasting slow-changing concepts (say like immigration policies) where the leaders don't have much say and just implement the will of the people. (B) Then more powerful leaders for the day-to-day decisions (like when Lehman Brothers crashed and we had hours to react with major policy decisions) with less political bickering/one-upmanship from Congress.

The problem is that the powerful leaders in (B) are incapable of staying out of (A).
 

Jaskalas

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who in turn be required to vote as stated
What?

We are deeply divided on reality itself. On the meaning of words. On when a human being is considered alive.
Yet you imagine we could judiciously police our politicians to follow some predetermined agreement?
Their campaign promises are the greatest lies of all. But some "AI" will fix the human factor?

I am not convinced there's a method to this madness. Or at least... not while we are already so deeply divided. This may have worked in the post-war era.
 

Moonbeam

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What?

We are deeply divided on reality itself. On the meaning of words. On when a human being is considered alive.
Yet you imagine we could judiciously police our politicians to follow some predetermined agreement?
Their campaign promises are the greatest lies of all. But some "AI" will fix the human factor?

I am not convinced there's a method to this madness. Or at least... not while we are already so deeply divided. This may have worked in the post-war era.
The idea occurred to me while thinking about single issue voters so let’s simplify:

Each voter takes a position on abortion pro or con as does each of two candidates of differing views. If pro abortion wins the most votes the candidate espousing that position wins. This binds the candidate to vote as originally stated on the abortion issue.

One can imagine a million problems with this but the idea would be an attempt to reduce politicians promising to be all things to all people and voting against the will of the people.

Suppose the issue was should an individual be able to contribute unlimited amounts to fund a political position or is a corporation a person. Would current law change? Do you think the majority of citizens think what we have now should stay the same? How about should the 1st amendment allow the media to manipulate public opinion with false information?
 

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Was just in the middle of the following post eating cranberry walnut bread when I had a curious thought that made me wonder:​


"Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?"
 
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sandorski

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AI Code:
While Not EOF
Read(InPosition:= PosList:"")
Write("Ok")
then
Vote(Republican)
Write("Success!"[5]"Please scan next ballot")
 

Moonbeam

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I’ll need a significant sized sample of that cranberry walnut bread to evaluate your idea…
Check or credit card? It's $9.50 for a 1 ft. batard.
"Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?"
If found in my Easter Basket molded in chocolate with marshmallow eyes, then yes.
AI Code:
While Not EOF
Read(InPosition:= PosList:"")
Write("Ok")
then
Vote(Republican)
Write("Success!"[5]"Please scan next ballot")
TEDG
What kind of savage is eating cranberry walnut bread in August?
See two posts down
Was that before or after your avacado toast?

:)
I bought two avocados at the same time but even today they are not quite ripe.
One with excellent taste?
Thank you! You have earned a free sample next time I'm in town.
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In my personal list on Amazon I have saved a link to a Saint Germain oval bannaeton bread proofing baskets with liner, ( a round one too of course) have purchased organic whole wheat flour, cranberries, walnuts, yeast and all the equipment needed to bake. So far it is just too easy to buy an excellent loaf. I have also looked up recipes for such.

I am trying to do more cooking at home and am going to check out buying farm direct as prices in the stores make me feel suckered. I keep hearing my skin flint Dad whispering in my ear that he didn't think anymore of a nickle than he did his right eye and how when he married my Mom they could fill three big bags of groceries for 5 dollars and live on that for a month, I can still remember my Mom buying chickens from the butcher she would have to gut and clean. I envy people that can still live like that today. Farmer's markets are a poor substitute and full of fraud and none very conveniently open daily in my area.
 

Moonbeam

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Nice and not a massive effort. The one I buy is whole wheat and requires a number of risings to developed gluten and flavor. That’s what I would like to shoot for.

Ah ha, I found it:

 

Moonbeam

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Says it’s good with Turkey. I bought a pound of salt free breast s deli sliced at the same time but never considered having them together. I bought sweet bastard or buy Italian batard for that as I love mustard on Turkey but I am going to try that. Lettuce or alfalfa sprouts would be required, I think.
 

BoomerD

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Nice and not a massive effort. The one I buy is whole wheat and requires a number of risings to developed gluten and flavor. That’s what I would like to shoot for.

Ah ha, I found it:

The one I posted is a quickbread, not a true leavened bread. Both are good...but maybe for different tastes.
 

Moonbeam

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The one I posted is a quickbread, not a true leavened bread. Both are good...but maybe for different tastes.
I bought 50 lb of organic hard whiter wheat, a flour mill, and sieves to collect the finest grain particles during the Covid epidemic. But my favorite bread is sweet French Baguettes.