Was Communism really as dangerous to pro-NAP Americans as Zionism is today?

[Anarchist420]

I'm bringing this up because yesterday I had to withdraw my support for Gary Johnson due to the fact that I found out he support alliances and Israel--it was the last straw and I'll be campaigning vigorously against him and Obama.

Why was communism, which never threatened to come here, more dangerous to Anti-aggression Americans than a movement which:
endangers our security and makes more people hate Americans?

endangers our fiscal health by robbing non-consenting tax-payers and future generations of their money?

pro-Non Aggression Principle Americans have nothing to gain from?

Basically, to get into office these days, you have to be a Christian Zionist. AIPAC is now trying to run Justin Amash out of office. Every potential Republican candidate (except Dr. Ron Paul) now believes in alliances and has made a visit to Israel. Why does it have to be that way?

I don't get why the Zionists can't give their own money away if they want to help the Military State of Israel so much. It is not my responsibility to pay for some military state that stabs us in the back at every turn (blew up the US Liberty, staged an attack against Americans in the 80s to get Americans to kill their enemies, and spying on Americans left and right)!
So why should I be forced to pay for it if I don't want to? It's true that no one should be governed, but it is total tyranny to be forced into an alliance with a government half way around the world from where I am.

What good is either party if all they are is a bunch of progressives/ neocons?

Why can't foreign aid be voluntary? I don't care if most people want it be through force because I don't consent to it.

 

[Matt1970]

My balls itch.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why do you think that communism was not trying to get to the US.

It existed last than 60 miles away; you had/have plenty of Americans that felt that communism was a better form of government - potential birthing the liberal/socialist movement that the government knows best and should take care of one from cradle to grave.

Possibly if you understood the Cold War a little better, you would understand why Israel was involved.

Also the fact that the majority of our country is christian based, it would make sense that one will probably be a Christian to be elected into an office.

America is not pure - but one supports allies when possible - one might need the assistance in return.

 

[Carmen813]

Why do you think that communism was not trying to get to the US.

It existed last than 60 miles away; you had/have plenty of Americans that felt that communism was a better form of government - potential birthing the liberal/socialist movement that the government knows best and should take care of one from cradle to grave.

Possibly if you understood the Cold War a little better, you would understand why Israel was involved.

Also the fact that the majority of our country is christian based, it would make sense that one will probably be a Christian to be elected into an office.

America is not pure - but one supports allies when possible - one might need the assistance in return.

Pro-tip: Liberalism existed long before communism. I don't think liberalism means what you think it means.

 

[wuliheron]

My balls itch.

Don't scratch.

 

[Infohawk]

Feeding Anarchist420 makes baby Jesus cry.

 

[JS80]

I'm bringing this up because yesterday I had to withdraw my support for Gary Johnson due to the fact that I found out he support alliances and Israel--it was the last straw and I'll be campaigning vigorously against him and Obama.

Why was communism, which never threatened to come here, more dangerous to Anti-aggression Americans than a movement which:
endangers our security and makes more people hate Americans?

endangers our fiscal health by robbing non-consenting tax-payers and future generations of their money?

pro-Non Aggression Principle Americans have nothing to gain from?

Basically, to get into office these days, you have to be a Christian Zionist. AIPAC is now trying to run Justin Amash out of office. Every potential Republican candidate (except Dr. Ron Paul) now believes in alliances and has made a visit to Israel. Why does it have to be that way?

I don't get why the Zionists can't give their own money away if they want to help the Military State of Israel so much. It is not my responsibility to pay for some military state that stabs us in the back at every turn (blew up the US Liberty, staged an attack against Americans in the 80s to get Americans to kill their enemies, and spying on Americans left and right)!
So why should I be forced to pay for it if I don't want to? It's true that no one should be governed, but it is total tyranny to be forced into an alliance with a government half way around the world from where I am.

What good is either party if all they are is a bunch of progressives/ neocons?

Why can't foreign aid be voluntary? I don't care if most people want it be through force because I don't consent to it.

Why do you hate Jews? You jealous of success?

 

[Steeplerot]

The problem is letting lobbyists run amok in our Government, the Israeli lobbyists just followed big corporations lead. Although Jews do make a good scapegoat if you are into the 1930s anti FDR talk radio conspiracy scene.

 

[wuliheron]

Feeding Anarchist420 makes baby Jesus cry.

Don't scratch.

 

[Anarchist420]

Why do you hate Jews? You jealous of success?

I don't hate Jews at all. I hate Congress and I wish they wouldn't listen to AIPAC or most other lobbying groups. Rothbard is one of my heroes, and he was Jewish.

What about Jewish Voice for Peace? I support them, and they don't like AIPAC either.

The Christian Zionists are a little worse than the Jewish ones. Not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists.

 

[Gintaras]

Why do you hate Jews? You jealous of success?

A question,
in OP, there aren't anything closer to hate of jews.
Zionism and jews are 2 different worlds - just like Germany and fascism in past century...
I used to be an anti-semite. Now, I don't like antisemites, because antisemitism is needed to zionists/extremist jews.

 

[Anarchist420]

A question,
in OP, there aren't anything closer to hate of jews.
Zionism and jews are 2 different worlds - just like Germany and fascism in past century...

Thank you

 

[davmat787]

What on earth would make you think Russia did not have plans to invade the US?

EDIT: As I was alive towards the latter half of the cold war, I am very interested in learning more about it. Anyone have some recommendations on the history of it, from all sides?

 

[Steeplerot]

What on earth would make you think Russia did not have plans to invade the US?

EDIT: As I was alive towards the latter half of the cold war, I am very interested in learning more about it. Anyone have some recommendations on the history of it, from all sides?

Russia as far as I know never had conventional plans to invade the US. Really, why bother? It would be a irradiated wasteland like Russia would be.

I think what you mean is the Hollywood movie Red Dawn in the 80s.

A terrible propaganda movie really. But awesome excuse to post the pic.

*waves hi to comrades * good work owning the capitalist running dogs! :thumbsup:

For a more in depth answer for real Stalin and Trotsky fought over the idea of Socialism in One State Stalin won obviously, the USSR never really had much of a internationalist goal, or what they had were really half-assed attempts at imperialism. (Finland and Afghanistan)

 

[Gintaras]

The problem is letting lobbyists run amok in our Government, the Israeli lobbyists just followed big corporations lead. Although Jews do make a good scapegoat if you are into the 1930s anti FDR talk radio conspiracy scene.

Israel jews/zionists-extremists hijacked US and you have to deal with...
Communism is usually associated with Russia, russian people. Few do now that Communism wasn't started by russians...
However, so called communism or socialism isn't that bad...I was born in former Soviet Union a nd I don't regret it...I had a wonderful childhood than many in US could just dream about...
Of course, we didn't had electronics at that times like kids in US had, but we had a lot of books to read...
Western people like to talk about CHOICE of things...
About CHOICE(s) - No one have choice, you take what you are given...
Same, about "choice" either under communism or capitalism...
WE HAD SAME CHOICES...We were given even more "choices":
Literature: many russians(or who were born in USSR) do knows, have read: Erich Maria Remarque, Guy De Mopassant , F.Dosteevkij, Herman Hesse, ...etc books
Most of americans don't even know or have read books of their own Hero - Kurt Vonnegut
Cinematography: Anyone in The World do know Sylvester Stallone, Robert De Niro...
How many americans do know about: Louis De Funes, Jean-Paul Belmondo, other Movie/ Cinema gems from Italy, France, Russia?

If you want to find out more about "choices", do search on Youtube: George Carlin - choice...

 

[Steeplerot]

I was born in former Soviet Union and I don't regret it...I had a wonderful childhood than many in US could just dream about...

Western people like to talk about CHOICE of things...

I am from the DDR in the 1970s. And it was a good place to be raised.

They only know what they have been told by their governments as we were always "enemies", I don't hold it against them in 2011. Most people can separate the people from governments.


yes, Vonnegut rules.

Few do now that Communism wasn't started by russians...

Marx was a German, but many Russian great minds helped like Bakunin, Tolstoy and course Kropotkin. (who I am more of a fan of really)

 

[Gintaras]

Marx was a German, but many Russian great minds helped like Bakunin, Tolstoy and course Kropotkin. (who I am more of a fan of really)

Marx was jewish....not german...

 

[Steeplerot]

Marx was jewish....not german...

What the hell does that have to do with where he was from? He was a Atheist from Trier on the Rhine, which was Prussia back then. (Germany) :sneaky:

I see where this is going, ugh, not another Russian nationalist-fascist. /barf

 

[davmat787]

Russia as far as I know never had conventional plans to invade the US. Really, why bother? It would be a irradiated wasteland like Russia would be.

I think what you mean is the Hollywood movie Red Dawn in the 80s.

A terrible propaganda movie really. But awesome excuse to post the pic.

*waves hi to comrades * good work owning the capitalist running dogs! :thumbsup:

For a more in depth answer for real Stalin and Trotsky fought over the idea of Socialism in One State Stalin won obviously, the USSR never really had much of a internationalist goal, or what they had were really half-assed attempts at imperialism. (Finland and Afghanistan)

I'm talking more from a wargaming perspective. The chances of ever actually using them were obviously extremely low, but I am sure they had a committee to study and game it out.

 

[Steeplerot]

You would need a shedload of these then to crush the capitalist homeland.

And a few soviet psychic dominator mind control dudes to take over the President and Comrade Glenn Beck of course.

Yuri for USA Premier!
()

 

[woolfe9999]

Marx was jewish....not german...

He was raised protestant and became an atheist. But suppose for the sake of argument he was Jewish. How did that make him not German? I don't get how "Jewish" is a nationality at all, let alone one that is exclusive of others.

 

[x26]

I'm bringing this up because yesterday I had to withdraw my support for Gary Johnson due to the fact that I found out he support alliances and Israel--it was the last straw and I'll be campaigning vigorously against him and Obama.

Why was communism, which never threatened to come here, more dangerous to Anti-aggression Americans than a movement which:
endangers our security and makes more people hate Americans?

endangers our fiscal health by robbing non-consenting tax-payers and future generations of their money?

pro-Non Aggression Principle Americans have nothing to gain from?

Basically, to get into office these days, you have to be a Christian Zionist. AIPAC is now trying to run Justin Amash out of office. Every potential Republican candidate (except Dr. Ron Paul) now believes in alliances and has made a visit to Israel. Why does it have to be that way?

I don't get why the Zionists can't give their own money away if they want to help the Military State of Israel so much. It is not my responsibility to pay for some military state that stabs us in the back at every turn (blew up the US Liberty, staged an attack against Americans in the 80s to get Americans to kill their enemies, and spying on Americans left and right)!
So why should I be forced to pay for it if I don't want to? It's true that no one should be governed, but it is total tyranny to be forced into an alliance with a government half way around the world from where I am.

What good is either party if all they are is a bunch of progressives/ neocons?

Why can't foreign aid be voluntary? I don't care if most people want it be through force because I don't consent to it.

Great Question...

 

[Freshgeardude]

Marx was jewish....not german...

He was raised protestant and became an atheist. But suppose for the sake of argument he was Jewish. How did that make him not German? I don't get how "Jewish" is a nationality at all, let alone one that is exclusive of others.

wow Gintaras. Wow.

I used to be an anti-semite. Now, I don't like antisemites, because antisemitism is needed to zionists/extremist jews.

No, you still are an anti-semite.

you just hate anyone that supports anything related to jews, still making you an anti-semite.

and its true. zionism wouldnt exist if there wasnt anti-semitism. if there werent pogroms and the holocaust, jews wouldnt need to have a safe haven. they would be like christians or or muslims which live in many countries of the world.

i'll put money down you were born in the middle east and youve been brainwashed your entire life to hate jews and israelis.


and its funny, either you hate israelis and blame all of the jews of the world, or you hate all of the jews and blame it on the israelis.


either way, you are an ignorant moron

 

[Abwx]

and its true. zionism wouldnt exist if there wasnt anti-semitism. if there werent pogroms and the holocaust, jews wouldnt need to have a safe haven.


either way, you are an ignorant moron

So, in essence, Palestinians must pay the price for european
evil actions..??...
Logicaly, a tiny part of germany would have been the decision....

Kind of paradoxal to brand someone moronic and then start
your own twisted logic monologue...

 

[Anarchist420]

wow Gintaras. Wow.



No, you still are an anti-semite.

you just hate anyone that supports anything related to jews, still making you an anti-semite.

and its true. zionism wouldnt exist if there wasnt anti-semitism. if there werent pogroms and the holocaust, jews wouldnt need to have a safe haven. they would be like christians or or muslims which live in many countries of the world.

i'll put money down you were born in the middle east and youve been brainwashed your entire life to hate jews and israelis.


and its funny, either you hate israelis and blame all of the jews of the world, or you hate all of the jews and blame it on the israelis.


either way, you are an ignorant moron

I agree that there is zero point in blaming Jews.

The problem is that the Christians are more Zionist than most Jews are. If the Christians didn't support it, then myself and future generations couldn't be robbed.

We need Confederal policy--that is, one of perpetual neutrality, small independent states and individual liberty. I don't think the majority of Americans will ever allow it.