JulesMaximus
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Forget it, Leif Ericson was da man! He discovered America and he discovered the natives too. They didn't even know where they were until Leif Ericson discovered them.
OrganizedChaos
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preslove
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Wow, you're one big asshole.
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The spanish conquistadors were generally horrible people. Columbus, though, was too horrible for the spanish. The spanish crown used the inquisition as state policy, and yet they couldn't stomach him? You have to be pretty damn evil for early sixteenth century spanish royalty to think you're a tyrant.
It's time to write a research paper, I guess. Read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn and get back to me.
fixed for correctness.
he was an imperialist. he kidnapped,enslaved, stole, and led to the down fall of native american civilization because of people that went there later ie Coronado. Read Lies my Teacher told me. You'll get the real story
Don't bother.
Anyway, I'm sure the answer your 6th grade teacher is looking for is that a college educated person will give you a long story on how he killed Native Americans and stuff, but an overly patriotic and ignorant person will praise him as the best thing since sliced bread.
good stuff. Make your own opinion. If you can master that, you'll be far ahead of any of your TV-watching peers. Personally I don't think he should have conquered the natives, but what can I do about it now?
judasmachine
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Bad, very bad. However if it wasn't him, it'd been someone else, and the genocide still would have been unleashed.
It's hard to judge people from an historical perspective; different times, different morals. Sure, he wanted to convert the heathens but look who he worked for. Also, there's this image of native Americans as pure when they caused the mass extinction of large numbers of native species. Not that they deserved what Europeans did to them, mind you, but they are just another member of the very destructive race of man.
"Columbus was not the first European mariner to sail to the New World?the Vikings set up colonies (c.1000) in Greenland and Newfoundland (see Leif Ericsson and Thorfinn Karlsefni)?but his voyages mark the beginning of continuous European efforts to explore and colonize the Americas. Although historians for centuries disputed his skill as a navigator, it has been proved that with only dead reckoning Columbus was unsurpassed in charting and finding his way about unknown seas. During the 1980s and 90s the long-standing image of Columbus as a hero was tarnished by criticism from Native Americans and revisionist historians. With the 500th anniversary of his first voyage in 1992, interpretations of his motives and impact varied. Although he was always judged to be vain, ambitious, desirous of wealth, and ruthless, traditional historians viewed his voyages as opening the New World to Western civilization and Christianity. For revisionist historians, however, his voyages symbolize the more brutal aspects of European colonization and represent the beginning of the destruction of Native American peoples and culture. One point of agreement among all interpretations is that his voyages were one of the turning points in history."
PS Don't take what people say here seriously, this definitely isn't the place to do such research. A Google search would turn up more useful info.
"Columbus was not the first European mariner to sail to the New World?the Vikings set up colonies (c.1000) in Greenland and Newfoundland (see Leif Ericsson and Thorfinn Karlsefni)?but his voyages mark the beginning of continuous European efforts to explore and colonize the Americas. Although historians for centuries disputed his skill as a navigator, it has been proved that with only dead reckoning Columbus was unsurpassed in charting and finding his way about unknown seas. During the 1980s and 90s the long-standing image of Columbus as a hero was tarnished by criticism from Native Americans and revisionist historians. With the 500th anniversary of his first voyage in 1992, interpretations of his motives and impact varied. Although he was always judged to be vain, ambitious, desirous of wealth, and ruthless, traditional historians viewed his voyages as opening the New World to Western civilization and Christianity. For revisionist historians, however, his voyages symbolize the more brutal aspects of European colonization and represent the beginning of the destruction of Native American peoples and culture. One point of agreement among all interpretations is that his voyages were one of the turning points in history."
PS Don't take what people say here seriously, this definitely isn't the place to do such research. A Google search would turn up more useful info.
I have a hard time thinking much of him. He's the type of historical figure who is famous despite all the stupid crap he did. I mean, his entire premise for the voyage that led to "discovering" the americas was based on incredible stupidity and erroneous mathematical calculations of the circumference of the earth and the ratio of land to water on earth. The only reason he didn't die on the voyage was because the americas exist.
JulesMaximus
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there is a difference between drunken conquest and Discovery. Columbus Discovered America and opened it up to the eastern world. the vikings just settled and left.
edit:::iknow he just wanted to find a route to The Indies, but an accidental discovery is still a discovery if you open up the eyes to the world....an example is you walking down the beach and trip on a treasure chest, you open and see gold, you close chest and keep on walking. another person comes along and trips on the same chest, sees gold and gets it and sells it. he discovered the treasure chest because he took initiative and actually did something about it.
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