WARNING do not buy an All in Wonder Radeon video card if you need VfW support

NicColt

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Here is what was posted in another group;

here is ATI's statement about VfW:
A4: Due to restrictions placed on all graphics vendors by Microsoft®, the following features are not included on the Windows® Me CD. [...] Support for Video for Windows® (VfW) video capture, needed for the TV feature of existing ALL-IN-WONDER® product family

(from the ATI's WinME FAQ)

This is also true for Win2000! There is a VfW to WDM emulation, but it seems to refuse work with some (or a lot) of today's software.
Because WinME and Win98 drivers are the same, you see there will be no VfW support in Win98.

THIS IS PURE BS from a company that has no balls standing up to M$

If you want support for VfW buy the Asus 7800 GForce 2 because IT supports VfW. How sick and twisted is that, and for me to be able to use netmeeting today and not in 8 months from now and even though I have an AIW-Radeon, I have to buy either an TV-Wonder or a HypergaugeTV or whatever it's called. As of this day, hardly ANY software supports directshow, and directshow is full of bugs and doesnt work properly.

I looked in my archive box of useless hardware and found my $50 Lotitech (then Connectix) Quickclip usb that I purchased 3 years ago for me in order to use NetMeeting and CuSeeme today.

LMAO I have an (apparently) state of the art high tech AIW blunder capture card that I paid over $385Cdn, however for me to be able to use the most popular collaboration sharing software on the market today like NetMeeting, VDOphone and CuSeeme, I have to use a 3 year old card that was then worth $50 a cheap POS capture card that I can't even get $5 for today.

Talk about an brain dead All in Wonder Blunder of giant proportions. Thanks M$ and Specially ATi for having NO balls to stand up to them. It's time I return this defective lame video card for a full refund. Talk about screwing the consumer.


 

smp

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STICK IT TO THA MAN!!![/B}
I'm with you bro.. no balls.. no balls.. shame.. I got one of em all in garbage cards too.. payed that much for it CDN too.. piece of crap ATI..
 

smp

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Even though I don't use any of the programs.. it still sucks the bag. I hate that corporate garbage. Makes me want to kill myself.
 

FarENheiT

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Its microsofts fault. Not ATi's. You cant use someone else's property without proper licensing. Lets see you try and steal some of Microsofts itellectual property and see how long you go without being sued...
 

LivetoSurf

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I have ME and am looking for an AIW Radeon, so this concerned me. Perhaps the ATI website has been updated since this was posted? Here is a link:
ATI Win ME FAQ page

Here is a link to the specific AIW Radeon drivers page:
AIW drivers for Win ME

According to ATI, the rest of the answer #4 is that you use your Win98 drivers for the VFW function. Does anyone have any experience with this since the original post?
 

NicColt

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LOL FarENheiT

>You cant use someone else's property without proper licensing. Lets see
>you try and steal some of Microsofts itellectual property and see how
>long you go without being sued...

So let me get this right, according to what I know Microsoft does not make any video capture cards but yet they peddle NetMeeting 3.1 and Windows Media Encoder 7 which btw REQUIRE Video for Windows support in order to run. So every capture card company out there EXCEPT the ATi-Radeons has VfW support that is required to run Microsoft's own software.

If Microsoft would, as you put it, sue for using VfW's, that would mean that Microsoft would presently be making video collaboration and Media Encoding software that requires a capture card but yet Micorosoft's own software would not be able to run on ANY video capture cards since Video for Windows would be itellectual property and would not be allowed to be included with capture cards ??????? So Microsoft would be making software that would not be able to run on ANY video capture cards. If VfW would not be permitted to run on Capture cards do you seriously think that capture cards would allow NetMeeting and Windows Media Encoder to run???

Nic.