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jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: amish
Originally posted by: Duddy
And if you haven't heard already, Iran will prosecute the soldiers and probably kill them.

:Q link?

BBC

First sentence:

Gholamreza Ansari, Iran's ambassador to Moscow, said "legal process" had started but denied reports which quoted him saying the group may face trial.

They aren't even facing trial, let alone the death penalty.
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: amish
Originally posted by: Duddy
And if you haven't heard already, Iran will prosecute the soldiers and probably kill them.

:Q link?

BBC

First sentence:

Gholamreza Ansari, Iran's ambassador to Moscow, said "legal process" had started but denied reports which quoted him saying the group may face trial.

They aren't even facing trial, let alone the death penalty.

57 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's ambassador to Russia renewed a threat Iranian officials made earlier this week, saying 15 British sailors held by Iran could be tried for violating international law, Iran's state news agency IRNA reported Saturday.

Gholam-Reza Ansari told Russian television Vesti-24 on Friday that Iran had launched a legal investigation of the British sailors. "They will be tried if there is enough evidence of guilt," Ansari was quoted by IRNA as saying.

Britain's Foreign Office said it was checking the claim that the sailors were facing trial, but noted that the ambassador's comments didn't alter their view of what was needed to resolve the standoff.

"This doesn't change our position, we have made it perfectly clear that our personnel were in Iraqi waters and we continue to request immediate consular access to them and their immediate release," said a spokeswoman for Britain's Foreign Office, speaking on customary condition of anonymity in line with government rules.

Ansari's talk of the sailors and marines possibly being tried echoes comments made earlier this week by Ali Larijani, the main negotiator in Iran's foreign dealings.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: amish
Originally posted by: Duddy
And if you haven't heard already, Iran will prosecute the soldiers and probably kill them.

:Q link?

BBC

First sentence:

Gholamreza Ansari, Iran's ambassador to Moscow, said "legal process" had started but denied reports which quoted him saying the group may face trial.

They aren't even facing trial, let alone the death penalty.

57 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's ambassador to Russia renewed a threat Iranian officials made earlier this week, saying 15 British sailors held by Iran could be tried for violating international law, Iran's state news agency IRNA reported Saturday.

Gholam-Reza Ansari told Russian television Vesti-24 on Friday that Iran had launched a legal investigation of the British sailors. "They will be tried if there is enough evidence of guilt," Ansari was quoted by IRNA as saying.

Britain's Foreign Office said it was checking the claim that the sailors were facing trial, but noted that the ambassador's comments didn't alter their view of what was needed to resolve the standoff.

"This doesn't change our position, we have made it perfectly clear that our personnel were in Iraqi waters and we continue to request immediate consular access to them and their immediate release," said a spokeswoman for Britain's Foreign Office, speaking on customary condition of anonymity in line with government rules.

Ansari's talk of the sailors and marines possibly being tried echoes comments made earlier this week by Ali Larijani, the main negotiator in Iran's foreign dealings.

"If there is enough evidence..."

Yet apparently, sitting behind your computer monitor in your parent's basement, you already know there is enough evidence, already know there will be a trial, and already know the outcome that will apparently lead to their execution.

Bravo!
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: amish
Originally posted by: Duddy
And if you haven't heard already, Iran will prosecute the soldiers and probably kill them.

:Q link?

BBC

First sentence:

Gholamreza Ansari, Iran's ambassador to Moscow, said "legal process" had started but denied reports which quoted him saying the group may face trial.

They aren't even facing trial, let alone the death penalty.

57 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's ambassador to Russia renewed a threat Iranian officials made earlier this week, saying 15 British sailors held by Iran could be tried for violating international law, Iran's state news agency IRNA reported Saturday.

Gholam-Reza Ansari told Russian television Vesti-24 on Friday that Iran had launched a legal investigation of the British sailors. "They will be tried if there is enough evidence of guilt," Ansari was quoted by IRNA as saying.

Britain's Foreign Office said it was checking the claim that the sailors were facing trial, but noted that the ambassador's comments didn't alter their view of what was needed to resolve the standoff.

"This doesn't change our position, we have made it perfectly clear that our personnel were in Iraqi waters and we continue to request immediate consular access to them and their immediate release," said a spokeswoman for Britain's Foreign Office, speaking on customary condition of anonymity in line with government rules.

Ansari's talk of the sailors and marines possibly being tried echoes comments made earlier this week by Ali Larijani, the main negotiator in Iran's foreign dealings.

"If there is enough evidence..."

Yet apparently, sitting behind your computer monitor in your parent's basement, you already know there is enough evidence, already know there will be a trial, and already know the outcome that will apparently lead to their execution.

Bravo!

Hey I have an idea! Why don't you shut the **** up! Go ahead and smoke your marijuana and starve youself until we pull out of Iraq you dumb*** liberal! People like you are the reason we have a country full of pussies!!

ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN!!! "I WANT THIS I WANT THAT!!" OH MY GOD!!! JUST SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!
 

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liberal! People like you are the reason we have a country full of pussies!! ---which is still better than having a country full of tough guys who get us mired down in places like Iraq
while squandering our grandchildren's future just to pay the debts you idiots run up.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: jpeyton
"If there is enough evidence..."

Yet apparently, sitting behind your computer monitor in your parent's basement, you already know there is enough evidence, already know there will be a trial, and already know the outcome that will apparently lead to their execution.

Bravo!

Hey I have an idea! Why don't you shut the **** up! Go ahead and smoke your marijuana and starve youself until we pull out of Iraq you dumb*** liberal! People like you are the reason we have a country full of pussies!!

ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN!!! "I WANT THIS I WANT THAT!!" OH MY GOD!!! JUST SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!

:laugh: Mission accomplished!
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: jpeyton
"If there is enough evidence..."

Yet apparently, sitting behind your computer monitor in your parent's basement, you already know there is enough evidence, already know there will be a trial, and already know the outcome that will apparently lead to their execution.

Bravo!

Hey I have an idea! Why don't you shut the **** up! Go ahead and smoke your marijuana and starve youself until we pull out of Iraq you dumb*** liberal! People like you are the reason we have a country full of pussies!!

ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN!!! "I WANT THIS I WANT THAT!!" OH MY GOD!!! JUST SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!

:laugh: Mission accomplished!

LOL :p
 

Luthien

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if the hold them forever who knows
if they hold a trial and then they dissapear who knows
if they execute them beheading them and show the videos online/tv, then likely they will be bombed and more

If iran had nuclear capability like the USA the world wouldnt exist anymore. Unlike the russians the iranians religion islamabama bingbong calls for armageddon, desires it, aspires to it, craves it, loves it and boinks it. lol
 

rickn

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it would be very foolish to attack Iran with 145k american troops only a few 100 miles away. Iran could obliterate the green zone and every american base in Iraq
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: rickn
it would be very foolish to attack Iran with 145k american troops only a few 100 miles away. Iran could obliterate the green zone and every american base in Iraq
No they can't.

Iran's rockets are mostly not that accurate and there are massive limitations on how effective they could actually be.
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: rickn
it would be very foolish to attack Iran with 145k american troops only a few 100 miles away. Iran could obliterate the green zone and every american base in Iraq

Think Lebanon. They basically shoot bottle rockets towards their enemies. :p

 
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I don't think there is going to be a war, BUT if Iran does something stupid like convict them or execute them then the gloves are off. The other slight thing that might cause a war to break out is - this gives President Bust a great excuse to bomb Iran without Congress approval. With Congress and the Senate passing the Iraq Bill that Pres. Bush vows to veto this might just happen, this would be a way at getting back at the legislature branch. Hopefully President Bush isn't that stupid, but from past things he has done it doesn't look promising. :D
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: rickn
it would be very foolish to attack Iran with 145k american troops only a few 100 miles away. Iran could obliterate the green zone and every american base in Iraq
No they can't.

Iran's rockets are mostly not that accurate and there are massive limitations on how effective they could actually be.

you don't know what you're talking about. Is Iran's missiles capable of hitting within 50 yards of their target? No. Are they capable of hitting their Target within a MILE of their intended destination. HELL YES they are.

they have a lot of missiles and a very advanced chemical weapons capability
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: rickn
you don't know what you're talking about. Is Iran's missiles capable of hitting within 50 yards of their target? No. Are they capable of hitting their Target within a MILE of their intended destination. HELL YES they are.

they have a lot of missiles and a very advanced chemical weapons capability
If they use chemical weapons the US is not going to restrict its response. Its also true the impact to US soldiers will be fairly minimal since they have chemical warfare gear, while most of the impact will be upon Iraqi civilians. That sort of stunt would get Iraqis in general, including the vast majority of the insurgents to unite in a war against Iran. In some respects a conventional military attack on Iraq by Iran would actually probably solve a deal of the problems the US is currently facing there. There is still bad blood over the Iranian-Iraq War that occurred in the 1980s, and Iran directly attacking would serve as a hostile power to unify against. (Even most of the Iraqi Shiites don't tend to like Iran that much, or at least want to keep a certain amount of distance from them.)

Using conventional explosives, the sort of accuracy you're talking about won't get the job done. You need do do better than that to really cause damage on a tactical level. While presumably some soldiers would end up wounded or killed if enough rockets are fired at the Green Zone, the effect would not be anywhere near what you seem to think it would be. Its also definitely worth noting that the rockets with the range to hit Baghdad's Green Zone would need to be much bigger than the ones used by Hezbollah, and would be far harder to conceal in civilian building and protect from air strikes before they are fired.
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: rickn
you don't know what you're talking about. Is Iran's missiles capable of hitting within 50 yards of their target? No. Are they capable of hitting their Target within a MILE of their intended destination. HELL YES they are.

they have a lot of missiles and a very advanced chemical weapons capability
If they use chemical weapons the US is not going to restrict its response. Its also true the impact to US soldiers will be fairly minimal since they have chemical warfare gear, while most of the impact will be upon Iraqi civilians. That sort of stunt would get Iraqis in general, including the vast majority of the insurgents to unite in a war against Iran. In some respects a conventional military attack on Iraq by Iran would actually probably solve a deal of the problems the US is currently facing there. There is still bad blood over the Iranian-Iraq War that occurred in the 1980s, and Iran directly attacking would serve as a hostile power to unify against. (Even most of the Iraqi Shiites don't tend to like Iran that much, or at least want to keep a certain amount of distance from them.)

Using conventional explosives, the sort of accuracy you're talking about won't get the job done. You need do do better than that to really cause damage on a tactical level. While presumably some soldiers would end up wounded or killed if enough rockets are fired at the Green Zone, the effect would not be anywhere near what you seem to think it would be. Its also definitely worth noting that the rockets with the range to hit Baghdad's Green Zone would need to be much bigger than the ones used by Hezbollah, and would be far harder to conceal in civilian building and protect from air strikes before they are fired.

no offence, but our government seems to have a hard enough time trying to keep the military in fatigues let alone state-a-the-art gas masks. Iran is not Iraq, if you think they are some pushover of a country, you are sadly mistaken. Iraq was a militarily devasted country prior to the 2004 War. Iran was not. And they have A LOT of missiles, and the capability to deliver them. Iraq is not THAT far away from Iran you know
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: rickn
no offence, but our government seems to have a hard enough time trying to keep the military in fatigues let alone state-a-the-art gas masks. Iran is not Iraq, if you think they are some pushover of a country, you are sadly mistaken. Iraq was a militarily devasted country prior to the 2004 War. Iran was not. And they have A LOT of missiles, and the capability to deliver them. Iraq is not THAT far away from Iran you know
Uh, try reality. You seem to be operating upon some absurd stereotype. The only areas where there was ever really a shortage of equipment was advanced body armor (they always had the older stuff) and up-armored vehicles.

Essentially all the troops in the area already have full chemical protection gear, and the US would make certain any military units for some reason missing this would become fully properly equipped before we would go to war with Iran. US troops deployed in Iraq actually are still extremely well equipped in general.
 

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US troops deployed in Iraq actually are still extremely well equipped in general.---sez Aegeon.

Well I hope you don't count vehicles and tanks in that well equipped. Look at the damage Hezzbollah did to state of the arts Israeli tanks when they tried to go back into Lebanon.
If you think Hezzbollah has all the Iranian supply or even the best, guess again. IF GWB bombs Iran---its almost a certainty that our troops in Iraq will pay some of the price.

Before you get too bloodthirsty, stop and think.
 

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Obviously, if this US attack on Iran did come to pass, you're not going to have 10's of thosands of US soldiers sitting around at some base in Iraq, waiting to have missles dropped on them. They'd be dispersed everywhere.

Iran may have 10's of 1000's of missles, but they're not going to have very much to shoot at. Iraqi cities. Afghani cities. Emtpy US bases. Israel. That's about it. Iran could "rather easily" be bombed back into the stone age by the US, without too much direct hurt being done to the US.

There'd be plenty of indirect hurt, and the US would again look like the biggest maniacs on the planet. Right now that honor falls to Iran.....it's good to keep it that way. No matter what your thoughts on GWB....he does look completely sane next to Ahmadinejad.
 

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Originally posted by: railer
No matter what your thoughts on GWB....he does look completely sane next to Ahmadinejad.

Maybe in Crawford, TX.
 

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No matter what your thoughts on GWB....he does look completely sane next to Ahmadinejad.

Debatable and a matter of opinion----my version is more like birds of a feather---but both share the same problem---they may have been popularly elected, but now their respective populace has lost almost all faith in them. And now somehow share the the fantasy that the way back to popularity lies in strutting like peacocks.