War With Iran within the week?

[Duddy]

Vote away.

I voted yes.


We still have until April 5th at 12:27 AM. So the "No" people haven't won yet

UPDATE: Europe threatens action as Iran airs new 'confession' (Maybe the Yes voters will win?

UPDATE 2: Britain-Iran Crisis Escalates as British Embassy is Attacked

 

[irishScott]

Unless Iran really fvcks itself over on this one (ie: They start torturing/coercing/killing the Brits) it will most likely be resolved diplomatically. Still, they are prisoners of the Revolutionary Guard, which is only half-controlled by the Iranian Government. Wouldn't be surprised if one of them was radical enough to do something stupid.

That being said, any war with Iran won't be like Iraq. If they start doing what I said above, every country with balls (about 10 countries come to mind) will be on them in some fashion. It would be more a Gulf War scenario then another Iraq.

 

[Duddy]

OK, people are voting no.

Can anyone post why they think there will be no conflict with Iran withing the week?

Do you guys think Iran will release the hostages?

What if they try them or execute them?

What about our massive Naval exercises in the Gulf right now?

What about Blair's comment that they are entering a "new phase"?

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Unless Iran really fvcks itself over on this one (ie: They start torturing/coercing/killing the Brits) it will most likely be resolved diplomatically. Still, they are prisoners of the Revolutionary Guard, which is only half-controlled by the Iranian Government. Wouldn't be surprised if one of them was radical enough to do something stupid.

That being said, any war with Iran won't be like Iraq. If they start doing what I said above, every country with balls (about 10 countries come to mind) will be on them in some fashion. It would be more a Gulf War scenario then another Iraq.

I wonder how mant ME countries would side with Iran, though...

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Duddy
OK, people are voting no.

Can anyone post why they think there will be no conflict with Iran withing the week?

Do you guys think Iran will release the hostages?

What if they try them or execute them?

What about our massive Naval exercises in the Gulf right now?

What about Blair's comment that they are entering a "new phase"?

1. Already did

2. Yes. They did the last time, and any war with the West would be political, military, and economic suicide for Iran.

3. See my previous post. Regardless, British SF will most likely storm the prison if/when this happens. They definitely know where they are by now.

4. Show of force. Pretty clear message. "You fvck them up, we can and will fvck you up."

5. What is he supposed to say? He's playing the political good guy to try all the options. Not all of what is said in Press Conferences is representative of what politicians think.

 

[Duddy]

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: irishScott
Unless Iran really fvcks itself over on this one (ie: They start torturing/coercing/killing the Brits) it will most likely be resolved diplomatically. Still, they are prisoners of the Revolutionary Guard, which is only half-controlled by the Iranian Government. Wouldn't be surprised if one of them was radical enough to do something stupid.

That being said, any war with Iran won't be like Iraq. If they start doing what I said above, every country with balls (about 10 countries come to mind) will be on them in some fashion. It would be more a Gulf War scenario then another Iraq.

I wonder how mant ME countries would side with Iran, though...

Off the top of my head, all I can think of is Syria. I think they will keep their hands clean of this though.

 

[daniel49]

its just a show of bravado by Iran.
Once they have played out thier audience they will return them.

 

[wazzledoozle]

Radical elements outside the control of Iran's main government may see this as their "last stand" type situation. Either nothing will come of it, or someone will do something stupid and there will be a war. I personally think there is a high probability of the latter.

 

[compuwiz1]

Iran is just "playhousing", being the global attention whore, as usual. Nothing is going to come of this.

 

[jpeyton]

The tinfoil is strong with the OP.

 

[JEDIYoda]

a waste of good forum space...

 

[ayabe]

No.

Sy Hersch has been saying an invasion of Iran is imminent for the past 3 years, yet somehow it hasn't yet come to pass.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Duddy
OK, people are voting no.

Can anyone post why they think there will be no conflict with Iran withing the week?

Do you guys think Iran will release the hostages?

What if they try them or execute them?

What about our massive Naval exercises in the Gulf right now?

What about Blair's comment that they are entering a "new phase"?

Because Iran has done this before and backed down.

Now if Iran got so stupid as to try them with jail time or execution there would be too much groundswell support among aligned countries to prevent a war.

The exercises in the gulf are nothing new, we do them all the time.

Blair, simple rathceting up the rhetoric. Something politicians do all the time.



Face it, Iran wants to embarrass the west to show its people its stronger than the "eveel Satans" out there. They want to lead the M.E. and they think they can score points by doing this. They are very sure nothing will happen as most Western societies are hobbled by their press who are all too eager to buy into the Iranian line that they are just looking for peaceful mushroom cloud machines

 

[gclg2000]

Because Nancey Pelosi can delay it for at least 7 days.

 

[Lemon law]

I didn't vote in the poll because a "I hope not" choice was not listed.

And just I say this to anyone who thinks a war with Iran will be a picnic. While massive infrastructure damage can be inflicted on Iran in a short time, it will wound Iran but not kill Iran. Thereafter and for years to come, no surface shipping will move in the Persian gulf. Within minutes after the first bomb falls, speculators will have pushed the price of oil through the roof. Probably resulting in a world wide depression as all oil based economies grind to a halt.

If you like the quagmire that Iraq has become---you will probably love a war with Iran.

 

[MedicBob]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I didn't vote in the poll because a "I hope not" choice was not listed.

And just I say this to anyone who thinks a war with Iran will be a picnic. While massive infrastructure damage can be inflicted on Iran in a short time, it will wound Iran but not kill Iran. Thereafter and for years to come, no surface shipping will move in the Persian gulf. Within minutes after the first bomb falls, speculators will have pushed the price of oil through the roof. Probably resulting in a world wide depression as all oil based economies grind to a halt.

If you like the quagmire that Iraq has become---you will probably love a war with Iran.

Glad to see you are optimistic.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Duddy
Vote away.

I voted yes.

Calling for genocide and unchecked nuclear technology, and all we can do is wave our proverbial finger at them. An act of war with capturing soldiers is likely to make matters worse, but after how pathetic we?ve acted previously I do not expect a sudden attack on Iran.

Congress must declare war first, and through their hatred of Bush they?d sooner help Iran build the nukes than lift a finger to stop them.

The obvious answer is no. If it is yes, then Dems would bring forth civil unrest here in America to stop us.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Duddy
Vote away.

I voted yes.

Very shortly history will have proved you wrong.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I didn't vote in the poll because a "I hope not" choice was not listed.

And just I say this to anyone who thinks a war with Iran will be a picnic. While massive infrastructure damage can be inflicted on Iran in a short time, it will wound Iran but not kill Iran. Thereafter and for years to come, no surface shipping will move in the Persian gulf. Within minutes after the first bomb falls, speculators will have pushed the price of oil through the roof. Probably resulting in a world wide depression as all oil based economies grind to a halt.

If you like the quagmire that Iraq has become---you will probably love a war with Iran.

What is it with you guys and your constant belief that we are going to enter some kind of land war with Iran?
We don't need to invade and take over the country to get our message across.
In Iraq the goal was to remove Saddam and replace the government.
In Iran the goal would be to remove their nuke program and knock them down a few pegs and hopefully cut back on their outlandish behavior.
Totally different objectives that have totally different military needs.

Look at Bosnia, perfect example. Bombed the hell out of them for 30 days and we got what we wanted, same thing would most likely happen in Iran.
If Iran responds to our bombing by trying to invade Iraq and draw into a ground war our air power will demolish their army, it will be the highway of death all over again.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Duddy
Vote away.

I voted yes.

Calling for genocide and unchecked nuclear technology, and all we can do is wave our proverbial finger at them. An act of war with capturing soldiers is likely to make matters worse, but after how pathetic we?ve acted previously I do not expect a sudden attack on Iran.

Congress must declare war first, and through their hatred of Bush they?d sooner help Iran build the nukes than lift a finger to stop them.

The obvious answer is no. If it is yes, then Dems would bring forth civil unrest here in America to stop us.

When is the last time congress declared war? How many conflicts have we had since then?
Bush could launch a limited bombing raid without telling congress before hand and get away with it.
FYI: Clinton did it many times himself, so don't expect congress to do much more than whine and moan.

 

[idiotekniQues]

May Halliburton reap the profits of the tick and tock of dick's robot heart clock!

 

[dennilfloss]

Where is the Contra when you need them? Americans are so badass when it comes to dealing with Iranian kidnappings, they did so well to rescue their own hostages on April 25th 1980. :roll:

They embassy, American territory, was invaded at 10:30 a.m. on Nov. 4, 1979 (an act of war) and remains so 27 years later. Reagan's campaign people covertly hampered efforts by the Carter administrations to make sure the hostages would be freed only after the election so that Reagan could look like a hero and Carter like a weakling.

More machinations than guns ablazing, even if the young warmongers in ATOT call the Brits pussies. At least the Brits committed to a real war with Argentina for the Falklands in the 80s. During that time, the US fought the great enemy called Grenada. The UK knows when the time is for democracy and when the time is for war.

Some people could do well to read the day-by-day diplomacy that went on in 1938-1941 and see that things are often very complicated not just by unfolding events but also by the very personalities and internal power struggles involved.

War is a failure of diplomacy.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Duddy
Vote away.

I voted yes.

Will a war with Iran break out within 7 days?

Only if Chavez pulls the plug on U.S. oil.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Where is the Contra when you need them? Americans are so badass when it comes to dealing with Iranian kidnappings, they did so well to rescue their own hostages on April 25th 1980. :roll:

They embassy, American territory, was invaded at 10:30 a.m. on Nov. 4, 1979 (an act of war) and remains so 27 years later. Reagan's campaign people covertly hampered efforts by the Carter administrations to make sure the hostages would be freed only after the election so that Reagan could look like a hero and Carter like a weakling.

More machinations than guns ablazing, even if the young warmongers in ATOT call the Brits pussies. At least the Brits committed to a real war with Argentina for the Falklands in the 80s. During that time, the US fought the great enemy called Grenada. The UK knows when the time is for democracy and when the time is for war.

Some people could do well to read the day-by-day diplomacy that went on in 1938-1941 and see that things are often very complicated not just by unfolding events but also by the very personalities and internal power struggles involved.

Haha, you blame Carter not being able to free our hostages on Reagan, nice.....

 

[Sinsear]

War will not break out in 7 days. However, any execution/torture of the detainees in question would be a terrible move on the part of Iran's government. And I would support a massive bombing campaign against them.